The Moderna trial results were from 30,000. No id

The Moderna trial results were from 30,000. No idea where you got the 17 people number from.185 placebo group got COVID and 11 in the vaccine group. Zero of the vaccine group progressed to severe. They meet the FDA on Dec 17 and have 20m doses ready for the US in December and can deliver 400m more in 2021 (100m per quarter). The DSMC had no issues SAE and they will almost certainly pass FDA protocol.

Pfizer had 43,000 subjects, half on placebo. Of those in the trial, 162 cases came from the placebo, and 8 in the vaccine. They met the safety endpoint with the FDA and are probably days from approval or EUA. Pfizer says they can do 25m in the US this month and 1.3B globally in 21. So it has to be kept really cold..I get that's a problem outside of the US, but hospitals can certainly handle it and get healthcare workers and first liners taken care of. There is a new story hot off the presses that United Airlines moved a shipment to Chicago today and airlines desperate for revenue are gearing up to ship the vaccine. They meet the FDA December 10.

Just one of these companies could have things headed in the right direction, and the two combined will have a massive impact, if the results continue to do what they have reported. Pretty convincing thus far for both. With the US at 10M cases REPORTED, it's very likely a multiple of that has already had it. Now you have two companies rolling out 50m vaccines a month... Forgive me for being very optimistic about a return to normalcy. Normalcy doesn't mean there won't be cases, but it means the numbers are well under control and we don't have many severe cases deaths.