JP and I are both long, neither of us flip or trad

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JP and I are both long, neither of us flip or trade.

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Dave, I have to disagree on this point, at least as far as JP is concerned. I don't know what you do, but JP has told me in past phone conversations that he has a portion of his shares that he holds long-term, and a portion he swing trades. He has also reported this to others like Zoomboom, and barcode I believe.

I don't know if he trades now or not, but taking into consideration his clear dissatisfaction with the company, one would reasonably conclude he continues that practice, since his long-term shares aren't generating any paper gains for him until the price moves higher.

I don't know what JP has told you, but if he told you he's never traded, he's either lying to you, or he lied to several of the longs in the past.