btw, neither I nor TBG have ever said it is a scam

btw, neither I nor TBG have ever said it is a scam. I consider JB a salesman, and I have never met a salesman that is totally honest either. Salesmen have a financial bottom line that sometimes supersedes being completely honest. Many technical support people have been honest with a customer and acted in the customer's best interest only to be told that they "cost the company a sale". I can't understand the financial statement in any event. Even with RH, we se no basic change in the pattern. A little of a blip change because of the plant he closed, but no real change... If you want to find out if it is a scam, find out where the SG&A went for 4 years. 40 Million. Maybe it is in a bank in Bermuda. Those machines are nothing but sales platforms for a lot of SG&A.