You are right integracer02 thats why i cut back on the post we do not want to look like paid pumpers. But this phone call i just received was crazy! i did not call im and ask him to call me back he called me out of the blue.junebug left him a message but i did not,he said he would call me back because there is another opportunity for us with hollund.So we will see i will post as soon as i hear back but it was related to what i said about them not letting the stock go to 0 bid & that we were basically helping them with the share reduction by the number of shares that we were talking off the market.