Willy's not stupid. This eventually turns into a he said, she said situation. Unless there was a physical representation of these meetings or someone wore a James Bond wire, Willy can deny everything. His vague PR's provide little value and MMTE remained a guessing game. Rocky's so called phone calls with Willy reflects the same. Nothing but an empty pump,with expected results. Too little too late. Even if these pumpers took matters into their own corrupt hands, Willy could have corrected the situations with simple legit emails, PR's or anything that would have set a clearr, more honest picture. But he didn't and this in itself makes him just as guilty as the Dream Team Pumpers as Meyham put it, if not more so. But, he chose to reap the financial benefits of these pumps as well and this makes Von Lieberman the biggest richard cranium around. I think he had to change his name. Toxic in all realms. I can only hope this catches up to him and he ends up with a fudge packing cell mate. Sorry. Fractured patella.. Pain meds talking. Appreciate all the insite here. I really do!