Lumberg, pie is good, MMTE is not.  I do agree with you about the mods and pumpers on IFlub (all part of them are part of the Google group as far as I know).   William was smart to convince these people to do his con game for him.  That way no one can take legal action against him.  But I still ask the question, if William really did lie to these people about what investors could expect from MMTE, then why no lawsuit?  Why aren't these people leading the charge to hang this guy?  The only logical answer is that they themselves invented these stories, and now have no where to turn.  So, they praise William for his brilliance, I guess in the hope that someone will buy enough MMTE stock so they can get out with even a little of the money they invested.  That is the part that angers me.  They are willing to lie and con others so they can make out a little better.  How are they any different than the worse criminal you can think of?