You took a risk on HJOE and it worked out. I'm sure plenty of people took a risk on TBEV at .0001 or .0002 and now wish they didn't. Plenty of people bought HJOE at .005 or 6 or 8 and now wish they didn't. When it comes to these sub penny stocks the losers always outnumber the winners. I was just saying that the HJOE death spiral already happened. Now maybe you can make the argument that there was a second death spiral coming if HJOE filed on time but we'll never know