Got ya. So Coast Eco Timber, lets call them CET for short, I believe I read has a 15 year concession on Bayano and I would assume that they have a lot of clout in the area and know all the players but are you saying that Alana @ CET (or another company person) won't speak about their present and future competition on the lake? Even if Alana thought HIMR was ripping off shareholders way back when, obviously if HIMR has started operations, as most of us believe they have, she would definitely know about it right? I am sure as a smart business person she def keeps an eye on their ticker symbol and has read all the latest PRs and has her people on the ground in Panama keeping close tabs on them? No? Maybe there is a way of getting some confirmation on HIMR operations in a "roundabout" manner. Indirectly.