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this sources inconsistencies are making me uncomfo

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Posted On: 05/26/2013 8:00:16 PM
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Posted By: microcaps

this sources inconsistencies are making me uncomfortable-ignore the May 22 position shown on the map -thats old


the last position received 4 days 12 hours ago (that may be because the ship is moored or docked at Portland) says 46.618*-thats the latitude for Astoria (I've been there) the mouth of the Columbia River, which is the entrance to the Port of Portland,which is where CWRN said a longtime ago the fertilizer would be going to-the nearest port to OMRI's Eugene Oregon distribution center-past PR's etc name OMRI as being in talks w CWRN  for CWRN's fertilizer.


The ship is 80256 DWT-which includes weight of ballast fuel provisions and people. The actual maximum carrying capacity of cargo would be somewhere from ca 72000 to 77500.


As reported and posted by ly1 and iggy etc Ensenada website showed Ilia picking up 70000 tons of ore at Ensenada-which could be a combination of iron fertilizer and regular iron-both of which use same port product code apparently


the 6-25-12 PR said there was 45000 tons of ore at port after the QinHai left 6-12-12-some of that could've been picked up during the interim by a ship we were never aware of but thats highly unlikely given the collective dd and iggys excellent ship spotting skills/sources and other confirmations of our basic dd re Ilia picking up 70000 tons at Ensenada


the logistics of coordinating a partial load of fert and partial reg ore-which would be handled probably by Dillon Co since fert involved-and destination of Ningbo China-does ship pick up cargo at Portland to replace fert offloaded so they dont have a 1/2 empty ship for voyage to Ningbo?


also of note- the destinations shown by some of these sites including this one are often wrong or only show major ports so intermediate ports like Portland and Laredo (port Ilia visited before Ensenada) are not shown


also June 11 arrival at Ningbo isnt anywhere near possible if ship is at Portland as latitude indicates-BUT the longitude given here is 140*-which is way out in the Pacific -Portland is 123* longitude---so some of the info provided by this site is not only incomplete BUT illogical and contradictory


ETA June 11 Ningo would be consistent w 140* longitude


so what we know for sure is Ilia picked up 70000 tons of CWRN product at Ensenada (assuming port info is correct).


We originally assumed it was all regular ore bound for China based on 6-25-12 PR 45000 tons still at port then (all regular iron) and original vector to Ningbo- the listed next destination -until ship was 100 miles out -beyond range of AIS antennas --


but we dont know whether its a COMBINATION of reg iron and fert or ALL fert at this point -we assume its a combination because of 45k tons at ore after Qin Hai left (6-25-12 PR)



but its possible its all fert if Ningbo-as per these sites incomplete pattern,is just the next major port this particular site uses-some of these sites only show next destination for a dozen major ports-and although Portland is a large port its obviously not on this sites list of ports to be shown as next or last destination


not trying to confuse -just pointing out limitations of our sources and possibilities so we dont mislead


I could run a great circle calculator from Portland to Ningbo etc but given the inconsistencies of the info on marinetraffic.com it probably wouldnt prove anything


The best source right now is if Portland website showed Ilia


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Vessel's Details


Ship Type: Bulk carrier
Year Built: 2011
Length x Breadth: 229 m X 32 m
Gross Tonnage: 44027, DeadWeight: 80256 t
Speed recorded (Max / Average): 12.8 / 11.2 knots
Flag: Panama [PA] 
Call Sign: 3FSB9
IMO: 9577460, MMSI: 351427000




Last Position Received


Area: Pacific North
Latitude / Longitude: 46.1818° / -140.8552° (Map)
Speed/Course 6.5 knots / 335?
Last Known Port: LONG BEACH
Info Received: 4d 12h 46min ago (AIS Source: -2)
Not Currently in Range
Itineraries History




Voyage Related Info (Last Received)


Draught: 13.7 m
Destination: NINGBL
ETA: 2013-06-11 21:01
Info Received: 2013-05-26 18:09 (0d, 5h 0min ago)



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