What don't YOU understand about a 50 year preceden
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Posted On: 07/05/2022 1:19:50 PM
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What don't YOU understand about a 50 year precedent that each of the last GOP SCOTUS nominees swore under oath that they recognized, respected?
This shit has zero to do with states rights and everything to do with religious beliefs superseding secular law. The exact opposite of what the founders intended.
It has nothing to do with science either.
The black judge has a wife who supported the 1/6 insurrection.
I'll keep going back to 'the dog who finally caught the car' as the meme for unintended consequences.
The previous post of mine on this subject addresses the hypocrisy and sanctimony of those Republican women who will do what they must to secure an abortion. The enforcement of a ruling that over 66% and rising oppose will be a disaster as much for the enforcers as for the victims of enforcement.
Again, a shitload of GOP women will be swept up in this mess.
Now enjoy some cognitive dissonance when your beliefs collide with facts and reality.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/why-supreme-c...ling-wrong
Here's why the Supreme Court's abortion ruling is wrong
By Sherry Colb | Fox News
The Supreme Court's abortion ruling is contemptuous of pregnant women and a catastrophe for America
The Supreme Court’s decision overturning the constitutional right to abortion is a disaster. Even Americans who like the outcome because they oppose abortion should find the ruling deeply troubling because it treats the sacrifice that women undertake in reproduction as if it were a minor inconvenience.
In particular, the opinion manifests no appreciation for what women who do not want to be pregnant endure when the government compels that status upon them.
Many people think that because the Constitution says nothing about abortion, it follows that the Constitution does not protect abortion. But that kind of logic does not suit a Constitution written in general terms to serve the people over the course of centuries.
The Constitution does not contain the word "Internet," but the Supreme Court, in Reno v. ACLU, rightly construed the First Amendment to protect online speech.
To similar effect, the Supreme Court long ago ruled, in Rochin v. California, that the government violates the Fourteenth Amendment Due Process Clause when it "shocks the conscience" by inducing a criminal suspect to vomit narcotics that he allegedly swallowed, even though the Constitution does not contain guidance on the practice and we have no history of prohibiting the use of emetics by government or private individuals.
When the government forces a woman to remain pregnant against her will, it thereby generates an enormous amount of often-crippling nausea, far more than it does by giving a criminal suspect an emetic on one occasion. So why is the emetic shocking and thus unconstitutional, while forced pregnancy is not?
The Supreme Court has also said, in Winston v. Lee, that ordering surgery on a suspect on the basis of mere probable cause (to believe his body contains evidence of crime) is unconstitutional.
Forced pregnancy will frequently lead to surgery as well. In the United States, C-sections account for about a third of deliveries. Why would the Constitution protect criminal suspects from forced surgery but allow laws that will effectively require thousands of women to conclude an unwanted pregnancy with unwanted surgery?
Now one might object that the right to liberty ends when its exercise results in harm or death to another. If one thinks that a zygote, embryo, or fetus is a human being entitled to life, then one could say that the interest in that life outweighs the infringement of a pregnant woman’s liberty that abortion prohibitions impose.
That is a fair point. Reasonable people can disagree about when and how to balance a woman’s liberty against the interest in life of the zygote, then embryo, then fetus developing inside her.
What makes Justice Samuel Alito’s majority opinion in last week’s abortion case so unpersuasive is that it dismisses altogether and barely even discusses a pregnant woman’s interest in termination.
The majority says nothing about the nausea, vomiting, gestational diabetes, high blood pressure, pain, insomnia, anxiety, and many other kinds of sickness that pregnancy often inflicts. The majority also says nothing about rape or incest, even though the Mississippi law before the Court contains no rape or incest exception.
Instead of acknowledging the tremendous costs of forced pregnancy that women will immediately suffer after last week’s opinion—including a woman’s substantially increased risk of death —the opinion departs from the particulars of the 15-week ban at issue in the case to tell legislatures that from the moment of conception, bans are a-okay.
If I disagreed with someone I respected about a matter that the majority acknowledges is "a profound moral issue on which Americans hold sharply conflicting views," I would—in addressing them—make sure to "show my work," as math teachers like to say. I would discuss the countervailing considerations, especially if I were writing upwards of 70 pages. Justice Alito, however, fails to do so.
Indeed, in an opinion that ignores the individual interest at stake for women experiencing an unwanted pregnancy, the majority quotes from seventeenth century English jurist Sir Matthew Hale. Hale said that terminating a fetus at or after quickening (when the woman can feel the fetus moving inside her) is a "great crime."
Hale, proving his bona fides as a misogynist from over 300 years ago, sentenced two women to death for witchcraft, spoke enthusiastically of every husband’s legal and moral entitlement to force intercourse upon his nonconsenting wife, and promoted the sexist (and factually unsupported) view that jurors must bring a profound skepticism to the claims of the remaining rape victims (those whose alleged assailants could not take advantage of the marital rape entitlement).
One walks away from the Court’s abortion opinion with the sense that even a one-celled zygote takes absolute priority over the lives and experiences of women. Indeed, the Court says nothing about whether the Constitution would stop the government from banning an abortion needed to save the life of the mother.
I understand that people who regard themselves as pro-life may not be ready to change their minds. But I hope I have helped readers understand why I and many others regard the abortion decision as among the most disrespectful to issue forth from the high court.
Justice Alito had a month and a half to change his leaked draft into something less dismissive and contemptuous of pregnant women who feel the need to exit their pregnancies. But he left the draft almost completely unedited.
That too speaks volumes about how he and at least four of his colleagues view the American women who object to involuntary pregnancy and labor.
Sherry F. Colb is C.S. Wong Professor of Law at Cornell Law School
This shit has zero to do with states rights and everything to do with religious beliefs superseding secular law. The exact opposite of what the founders intended.
It has nothing to do with science either.
The black judge has a wife who supported the 1/6 insurrection.
I'll keep going back to 'the dog who finally caught the car' as the meme for unintended consequences.
The previous post of mine on this subject addresses the hypocrisy and sanctimony of those Republican women who will do what they must to secure an abortion. The enforcement of a ruling that over 66% and rising oppose will be a disaster as much for the enforcers as for the victims of enforcement.
Again, a shitload of GOP women will be swept up in this mess.
Now enjoy some cognitive dissonance when your beliefs collide with facts and reality.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/why-supreme-c...ling-wrong
Here's why the Supreme Court's abortion ruling is wrong
By Sherry Colb | Fox News
The Supreme Court's abortion ruling is contemptuous of pregnant women and a catastrophe for America
The Supreme Court’s decision overturning the constitutional right to abortion is a disaster. Even Americans who like the outcome because they oppose abortion should find the ruling deeply troubling because it treats the sacrifice that women undertake in reproduction as if it were a minor inconvenience.
In particular, the opinion manifests no appreciation for what women who do not want to be pregnant endure when the government compels that status upon them.
Many people think that because the Constitution says nothing about abortion, it follows that the Constitution does not protect abortion. But that kind of logic does not suit a Constitution written in general terms to serve the people over the course of centuries.
The Constitution does not contain the word "Internet," but the Supreme Court, in Reno v. ACLU, rightly construed the First Amendment to protect online speech.
To similar effect, the Supreme Court long ago ruled, in Rochin v. California, that the government violates the Fourteenth Amendment Due Process Clause when it "shocks the conscience" by inducing a criminal suspect to vomit narcotics that he allegedly swallowed, even though the Constitution does not contain guidance on the practice and we have no history of prohibiting the use of emetics by government or private individuals.
When the government forces a woman to remain pregnant against her will, it thereby generates an enormous amount of often-crippling nausea, far more than it does by giving a criminal suspect an emetic on one occasion. So why is the emetic shocking and thus unconstitutional, while forced pregnancy is not?
The Supreme Court has also said, in Winston v. Lee, that ordering surgery on a suspect on the basis of mere probable cause (to believe his body contains evidence of crime) is unconstitutional.
Forced pregnancy will frequently lead to surgery as well. In the United States, C-sections account for about a third of deliveries. Why would the Constitution protect criminal suspects from forced surgery but allow laws that will effectively require thousands of women to conclude an unwanted pregnancy with unwanted surgery?
Now one might object that the right to liberty ends when its exercise results in harm or death to another. If one thinks that a zygote, embryo, or fetus is a human being entitled to life, then one could say that the interest in that life outweighs the infringement of a pregnant woman’s liberty that abortion prohibitions impose.
That is a fair point. Reasonable people can disagree about when and how to balance a woman’s liberty against the interest in life of the zygote, then embryo, then fetus developing inside her.
What makes Justice Samuel Alito’s majority opinion in last week’s abortion case so unpersuasive is that it dismisses altogether and barely even discusses a pregnant woman’s interest in termination.
The majority says nothing about the nausea, vomiting, gestational diabetes, high blood pressure, pain, insomnia, anxiety, and many other kinds of sickness that pregnancy often inflicts. The majority also says nothing about rape or incest, even though the Mississippi law before the Court contains no rape or incest exception.
Instead of acknowledging the tremendous costs of forced pregnancy that women will immediately suffer after last week’s opinion—including a woman’s substantially increased risk of death —the opinion departs from the particulars of the 15-week ban at issue in the case to tell legislatures that from the moment of conception, bans are a-okay.
If I disagreed with someone I respected about a matter that the majority acknowledges is "a profound moral issue on which Americans hold sharply conflicting views," I would—in addressing them—make sure to "show my work," as math teachers like to say. I would discuss the countervailing considerations, especially if I were writing upwards of 70 pages. Justice Alito, however, fails to do so.
Indeed, in an opinion that ignores the individual interest at stake for women experiencing an unwanted pregnancy, the majority quotes from seventeenth century English jurist Sir Matthew Hale. Hale said that terminating a fetus at or after quickening (when the woman can feel the fetus moving inside her) is a "great crime."
Hale, proving his bona fides as a misogynist from over 300 years ago, sentenced two women to death for witchcraft, spoke enthusiastically of every husband’s legal and moral entitlement to force intercourse upon his nonconsenting wife, and promoted the sexist (and factually unsupported) view that jurors must bring a profound skepticism to the claims of the remaining rape victims (those whose alleged assailants could not take advantage of the marital rape entitlement).
One walks away from the Court’s abortion opinion with the sense that even a one-celled zygote takes absolute priority over the lives and experiences of women. Indeed, the Court says nothing about whether the Constitution would stop the government from banning an abortion needed to save the life of the mother.
I understand that people who regard themselves as pro-life may not be ready to change their minds. But I hope I have helped readers understand why I and many others regard the abortion decision as among the most disrespectful to issue forth from the high court.
Justice Alito had a month and a half to change his leaked draft into something less dismissive and contemptuous of pregnant women who feel the need to exit their pregnancies. But he left the draft almost completely unedited.
That too speaks volumes about how he and at least four of his colleagues view the American women who object to involuntary pregnancy and labor.
Sherry F. Colb is C.S. Wong Professor of Law at Cornell Law School
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