in response to questions about what john said at t
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John Browns statement
Mr Brown was briefly given the floor after the quorum was confirmed-which if i remember did not happen until the speaker gave 24 more minutes for people to log thier votes, including by phone. During that 24 minutes the meeting was blanked out. Remember the meeting was 1hr and 41 minutes long- a long time for a 80 or 81 yr old to sit in one place without utilizing facilities.
It was sometimes hard for me to see the speaker at the back of the room, partly a function of the camera depth of field and angle of vision and the shape of the room etc.
I thought from my limited view John may have been tired or not in the best of health of health-possibly partly explaining the mask- all speculation- but he was also seated at the back w everybodys back to him on that side -and a lot of spacing around a large table -possible covid precautions.
John has written a lot of encouraging missives
so when he hears something else along the same lines - it is his responsibility /fiduciary duty to report it as he did.
was there possibly another better timing during the meeting - dont know and not going to worry about it
the 1st post i read to get back up to speed led me to wonder about his physical and or mental health- my only earthly mentor said ppl have a very weak about to die self righteous conscious mind [whereas they have a huge rebellious carnal double-mind -thier true self they are totally unaware of-which is the reason ekklesia hasnt grown up in 2000 years and refuses to hear or listen for their deliverance to this day.
thus at a certain mental age ppl lose that thin veneer of conscious control-seen it w both personal encounters and public reports-e.g McCain -and re-pioneered a process to solve that problem
dreams are also a problem- they are popular today because the occult promotes them as a means of suspect knowledge. In my life they are usually an attempt by the brain to understand incomprehensible humans. Before A.D. they were one of very few methods of communication but there are better methods now -at any rate dreams usually have to be interpreted w the aid of the 3rd member of the -- head which often takes considerable time. Thus the protocol in the ekklesia is to sometimes take weeks or months to interpret and flesh out the dream. Reporting the dream without going through that process is irresponsible. The process commonly takes 3 weeks to a month. Thus revealing the dream at the meeting was the proper just right goldilocks timing.
Mr Brown said, i asked Him if this was the time(paraphrasing). I wish i hadnt asked [because the answer] this is not your time .Not today or tomorrow.
Timing is always a major problem and always has been throughout history. If not now then when? When He is asked this question the answer ppl usually receive is "according to your faith", which is not ever the answer ppl want- the war cry of, 'i want it now now now-dont you know what i am going through."
Remember some asked the teacher when will these things happen- the answer deflected their frame of reference in asking the question and they did not understand the answer, which is a common refrain/principle-why? Because the timing is often not for us to know- knowledge of such sets the cart before the horse of spiritiual growth. Its not his point for us to know the exact timing but to be able to follow the narrow road without veering to the right or the left as we approach the goal..
There is a general timing and a specific timing. The general timing is here- after 1948 after 1967-after the many predicted political alliances we have seen form during our lifetime etc
Also as mentioned John is 80 or 81- so if not now, then when. Before natural gas becomes largely a substitute for oil -and before many other predicted things. So we are in the right general time. But He is cognizant of human limitations and what it takes to get ppl to the other side before they ALL fall off the road-which is not too far down the line.
My take on this-assuming Mr Brown correctly heard- is
"This particular well is not the big one every body has been waiting for. But i am aware of your limitations. I am aware of the hardships of the ppl and how many have had to hold on for many years in the midst of many troubles from this world. Thus I will give you enough to keep the vision alive - to keep moving forward- enough to pay for a large part of the next well to preserve my principals of giving and reaping in preparation for the soon coming release of the wealth of the ---- to the just,just as i did in delivering my ppl from egypt. [interesting bc of egypts participation in the natural gas Tamar field)
There is also the possibility of not hearing or interpreting a dream properly due to the many limitations of such in the 'common' era (CE). In my life thats the weakest form of communication. There are the superior gifts of knowledge, gift of wisdom, gift of discerning of spirits, and interpretation of tounges etc.
But I cannot assume John heard incorrectly. If somebody needs to be corrected we are to use the word to do so-its an almost impossible task. So one uses the word and facts etc - the last thing one is suppose to do is character assassination-and thats where humans -especially in a knee jerk reaction- go first-as witnessed by this board.
So i am listening on the back burner for the answer to this last one-i.e., whether John correctly interpreted or correctly heard.
on the other hand- a murderer who was used as a deliverer took 40 years to begin waking up and then waited in the desert 40 years growing in character, wondering and perhaps even asking when and how, especially as he was a stutterer.
Humans major in causing problems. They know little if anything about solving problems which has thus kept me busy my entire life. People are actively rejecting knowledge 150 times/day but dont know it and dont want to know it bc they dont want to change[ that huge controlling mind] or hear or listen