When I first invested 6 years ago, my Paulsen representative said big pharma had already been peering over the fence looking at CYDY. Within a few months there was an indication this could be a treatment with breast CA. So they definitely know us and had communication with Nader but to what extent I don't know. My contact has left the company so she is not on the inside. I know she was at least consulting with people who wanted to remove Nader, So I have spaced myself form her. Not sure if it was the 13D group.