Put the same words in the mouth of a defeated Dem
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Posted On: 08/20/2021 1:41:05 PM
Put the same words in the mouth of a defeated Dem president, and get back to me on how you would view what he said with what happened.
Numerous 'defendants' have said they were doing what Trump told them to do.
Wait for the trials to begin and for the testimony to be her.
Echocheck, seriously? Don't make me laugh.
THE FACTS: It was a textbook insurrection.
As “defined in the law,” an insurrection is “the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government,” according to Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary of Law.
Under the U.S. Code, the crime of insurrection is committed by “Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto.”
Apart from the law and legal texts, insurrection is defined by Webster’s New World College Dictionary, which is used by The Associated Press, as “a rising up against established authority; rebellion; revolt.”
On Jan. 6, attackers rose up physically and violently against the established authorities — Congress, as it was carrying out its constitutional duties surrounded and protected by U.S. government staff and police. Many in the siege were intent on stopping Congress from affirming Trump’s defeat.
An insurrection is commonly understood to mean a short-lived revolt that fails, as this one did. Castor may have been conflating an insurrection with a coup d’etat, which suggests a more organized and advanced effort to seize power, perhaps involving a shadow government ready to take over. Jan. 6 was not that.
THE FACTS: This characterization does not resemble Trump’s speech. For more than an hour, Trump made the case that he and his supporters at the rally had been “cheated” and “defrauded” in the “rigged” election by a “criminal enterprise” made up of some of the “weak” legislators the insurrectionists were about to confront.
As for Trump “explicitly” encouraging non-violence, as the lawyer put it, the president’s sole gesture in the speech was this passing remark, lost in the winds of that day’s rage: “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
There were no other approximate appeals for calm, order or respect for the institutions that Trump assailed in the speech as a “swamp.”
“That was the one time, the only time, President Trump used the word ‘peaceful’ or any suggestion of non-violence,” Rep. Madeleine Dean of Pennsylvania, one of the Democratic impeachment managers, said during the trial. “President Trump used the word ‘fight’ or ‘fighting’ 20 times.”
Her count is correct. In addition, Trump thanked supporters when they chanted: “Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!”
To be sure, not all of Trump’s “fighting” words were about the march to the Capitol. Some were about the political struggle to reverse a fair and certified election that he lost or about his other struggles in Washington.
But he sent his followers off to the Capitol with these words: “If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
This, after his lawyer Rudy Giuliani had told the crowd: “Let’s have trial by combat.”
This, after Trump had summoned his followers to Washington in the first place with the promise: “Be there, will be wild!”
At the rally, Trump roused his followers with words such as these:
—“Let the weak ones get out. This is a time for strength.” This was in reference to Republicans in Congress who weren’t going along with his effort to subvert the election.
—“You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.” That was to the marchers specifically.
—“When you catch somebody in a fraud, you are allowed to go by very different rules.” Despite this remark, van der Veen argued Friday that the “entire premise” of Trump’s rally speech was that the democratic process should “play out according to the letter of the law.”
—“You will have an illegitimate president. That is what you will have, and we can’t let that happen.” A reference to Biden’s ascendance to the presidency if he wasn’t stopped.
—“We are going to the Capitol,” Trump told his followers, to “try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.” Actually, he didn’t go with them.
For all of that, his attorney Friday contended that Trump had “devoted nearly his entire speech to an extended discussion” of the voting process.
During the melee that ensued, Trump made a video telling the attackers it was time to “go home.” Only when the violence was underway did he stress the need for “law and order” and “peace.” But he added: “We love you. You’re very special people.” Others are “so bad and evil.”
He followed later with a tweet that expressed no concern with the deadly consequences of the siege. He appeared to see justice in what had transpired.
“These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” he wrote. “Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”
https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-dona...55999ac0ea
Numerous 'defendants' have said they were doing what Trump told them to do.
Wait for the trials to begin and for the testimony to be her.
Echocheck, seriously? Don't make me laugh.
THE FACTS: It was a textbook insurrection.
As “defined in the law,” an insurrection is “the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government,” according to Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary of Law.
Under the U.S. Code, the crime of insurrection is committed by “Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto.”
Apart from the law and legal texts, insurrection is defined by Webster’s New World College Dictionary, which is used by The Associated Press, as “a rising up against established authority; rebellion; revolt.”
On Jan. 6, attackers rose up physically and violently against the established authorities — Congress, as it was carrying out its constitutional duties surrounded and protected by U.S. government staff and police. Many in the siege were intent on stopping Congress from affirming Trump’s defeat.
An insurrection is commonly understood to mean a short-lived revolt that fails, as this one did. Castor may have been conflating an insurrection with a coup d’etat, which suggests a more organized and advanced effort to seize power, perhaps involving a shadow government ready to take over. Jan. 6 was not that.
THE FACTS: This characterization does not resemble Trump’s speech. For more than an hour, Trump made the case that he and his supporters at the rally had been “cheated” and “defrauded” in the “rigged” election by a “criminal enterprise” made up of some of the “weak” legislators the insurrectionists were about to confront.
As for Trump “explicitly” encouraging non-violence, as the lawyer put it, the president’s sole gesture in the speech was this passing remark, lost in the winds of that day’s rage: “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
There were no other approximate appeals for calm, order or respect for the institutions that Trump assailed in the speech as a “swamp.”
“That was the one time, the only time, President Trump used the word ‘peaceful’ or any suggestion of non-violence,” Rep. Madeleine Dean of Pennsylvania, one of the Democratic impeachment managers, said during the trial. “President Trump used the word ‘fight’ or ‘fighting’ 20 times.”
Her count is correct. In addition, Trump thanked supporters when they chanted: “Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!”
To be sure, not all of Trump’s “fighting” words were about the march to the Capitol. Some were about the political struggle to reverse a fair and certified election that he lost or about his other struggles in Washington.
But he sent his followers off to the Capitol with these words: “If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
This, after his lawyer Rudy Giuliani had told the crowd: “Let’s have trial by combat.”
This, after Trump had summoned his followers to Washington in the first place with the promise: “Be there, will be wild!”
At the rally, Trump roused his followers with words such as these:
—“Let the weak ones get out. This is a time for strength.” This was in reference to Republicans in Congress who weren’t going along with his effort to subvert the election.
—“You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.” That was to the marchers specifically.
—“When you catch somebody in a fraud, you are allowed to go by very different rules.” Despite this remark, van der Veen argued Friday that the “entire premise” of Trump’s rally speech was that the democratic process should “play out according to the letter of the law.”
—“You will have an illegitimate president. That is what you will have, and we can’t let that happen.” A reference to Biden’s ascendance to the presidency if he wasn’t stopped.
—“We are going to the Capitol,” Trump told his followers, to “try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.” Actually, he didn’t go with them.
For all of that, his attorney Friday contended that Trump had “devoted nearly his entire speech to an extended discussion” of the voting process.
During the melee that ensued, Trump made a video telling the attackers it was time to “go home.” Only when the violence was underway did he stress the need for “law and order” and “peace.” But he added: “We love you. You’re very special people.” Others are “so bad and evil.”
He followed later with a tweet that expressed no concern with the deadly consequences of the siege. He appeared to see justice in what had transpired.
“These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” he wrote. “Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”
https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-dona...55999ac0ea
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