just picked this from ihub a great post Anth
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just picked this from ihub a great post
Anthony from yahoo forum posted the comment below. The frontline doctor has the same sentiment as my friend ER doc.
"I am pretty confident I have talked to more front line docs and advanced practice providers who are in the middle of treating these patients, and I have as hell talked to more than Adam FF. Below are pasted emails from a doc on the east coast who's been in the middle of this and who has a huge social media following. He says the same thing every single provider I've talked to: Rem is NOT working. Maybe just maybe that's what it's stock has not done anything despite the massive hype.
Here is the first email:
Hi Anthony,
Thanks for the message. I have learned not to follow anyone and do the research myself. I am almost done with a MBA in healthcare management at University of Mass so I have been learning how to analyze things for myself. But most importantly, I am hoping my medical background can help me objectively look at the data and see what works or doesn’t.
Leronlimab is not some miracle drug but it is going to be more effective than remdesivir and HCQ. I have raw data from ICUs at a few hospitals in the northeast US. It is a national tragedy to see our physicians stop critically thinking and throw something against the wall and hoping it would stick.
I am doing my best getting Leronlimab out in my physician circles. I am unconventional physician, very conservative in my management of patients but aggressive when I need to. I believe in proactive medicine, not reactive medicine like a majority of physicians are practicing.
Thanks for the message.
Here is the second one that he sent after reviewing some of the Leron data:
Tony-
Thanks for sharing your sentiments.
I knew hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was ineffective when it first came out and many of my colleagues said the same thing. But they were pressured to give it because they felt that had to give something.
Remdesivir and tocilizumab have been given last several weeks and they are not effective. In fact many of our sickest COVID patients have liver damage from the RANTES induced cytokine storm. So they can’t get remdesivir and tocilizumab because of the liver damage! Doctors then are left with nothing and many refuse to consider Leronlimab. They say we don’t have data but there is knowledge from the HIV trials which are on the NIH page! If not Leronlimab, then what do you propose? ‘Supportive management’. That means cross our fingers and pray the patient doesn’t die!!!
Doctor’s have become technicians and stopped being physicians. ARDS: Low tidal volume, FiO2 of 70%, increase the PEEP, do some proning. That is what their checklist says! And when it fails, start sweating and hope the patient dies quickly or they make a quick recover!
Unfortunately many of my colleagues practice reactive medicine instead of being proactive! We are at war with this virus and during any war deception is key! We have to anticipate the virus next move and have our defenses up and ready! Instead we are CHASING the virus and playing the war on ITS terms! If this were a game, that would be one thing. But people are dying!!! And my friends and colleagues are dying!!! That’s at stake and when I have looked at the raw data (Dr. Lalezari has shared with me the UCLA and Montefiore data)- it is not the magic drug but it works better than anything else we have right now.
So release LERONLIMAB and save our loved ones, friends, and communities!
I just spend most of my nonclinical time fighting these obstinate doctors but I’ll keep fighting for my patients!
Read this and make your own judgements. I choose to trust doctors I know, etc. rather than some clown like Adam FF who's agenda is to further himself rather than putting his life on the line taking care of these patients.
Here is the advanced copy of Patterson's paper. It will be interesting to see if the MSM buries this after it's officially published. Again, a lot of the folks who say they want to help with this are a hell of lot more intersted in lining their own pockets than doing what's right for patients and caregivers. It will be interesting to see if the SA editors allow this to be published. it's one thing for politicians to have pay to play to hand out money for infrastructure, etc.; it's another thing to use pay to play to force doctors to use a drug on these patients that does not work. That's a totally new rubicon."
Anthony from yahoo forum posted the comment below. The frontline doctor has the same sentiment as my friend ER doc.
"I am pretty confident I have talked to more front line docs and advanced practice providers who are in the middle of treating these patients, and I have as hell talked to more than Adam FF. Below are pasted emails from a doc on the east coast who's been in the middle of this and who has a huge social media following. He says the same thing every single provider I've talked to: Rem is NOT working. Maybe just maybe that's what it's stock has not done anything despite the massive hype.
Here is the first email:
Hi Anthony,
Thanks for the message. I have learned not to follow anyone and do the research myself. I am almost done with a MBA in healthcare management at University of Mass so I have been learning how to analyze things for myself. But most importantly, I am hoping my medical background can help me objectively look at the data and see what works or doesn’t.
Leronlimab is not some miracle drug but it is going to be more effective than remdesivir and HCQ. I have raw data from ICUs at a few hospitals in the northeast US. It is a national tragedy to see our physicians stop critically thinking and throw something against the wall and hoping it would stick.
I am doing my best getting Leronlimab out in my physician circles. I am unconventional physician, very conservative in my management of patients but aggressive when I need to. I believe in proactive medicine, not reactive medicine like a majority of physicians are practicing.
Thanks for the message.
Here is the second one that he sent after reviewing some of the Leron data:
Tony-
Thanks for sharing your sentiments.
I knew hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was ineffective when it first came out and many of my colleagues said the same thing. But they were pressured to give it because they felt that had to give something.
Remdesivir and tocilizumab have been given last several weeks and they are not effective. In fact many of our sickest COVID patients have liver damage from the RANTES induced cytokine storm. So they can’t get remdesivir and tocilizumab because of the liver damage! Doctors then are left with nothing and many refuse to consider Leronlimab. They say we don’t have data but there is knowledge from the HIV trials which are on the NIH page! If not Leronlimab, then what do you propose? ‘Supportive management’. That means cross our fingers and pray the patient doesn’t die!!!
Doctor’s have become technicians and stopped being physicians. ARDS: Low tidal volume, FiO2 of 70%, increase the PEEP, do some proning. That is what their checklist says! And when it fails, start sweating and hope the patient dies quickly or they make a quick recover!
Unfortunately many of my colleagues practice reactive medicine instead of being proactive! We are at war with this virus and during any war deception is key! We have to anticipate the virus next move and have our defenses up and ready! Instead we are CHASING the virus and playing the war on ITS terms! If this were a game, that would be one thing. But people are dying!!! And my friends and colleagues are dying!!! That’s at stake and when I have looked at the raw data (Dr. Lalezari has shared with me the UCLA and Montefiore data)- it is not the magic drug but it works better than anything else we have right now.
So release LERONLIMAB and save our loved ones, friends, and communities!
I just spend most of my nonclinical time fighting these obstinate doctors but I’ll keep fighting for my patients!
Read this and make your own judgements. I choose to trust doctors I know, etc. rather than some clown like Adam FF who's agenda is to further himself rather than putting his life on the line taking care of these patients.
Here is the advanced copy of Patterson's paper. It will be interesting to see if the MSM buries this after it's officially published. Again, a lot of the folks who say they want to help with this are a hell of lot more intersted in lining their own pockets than doing what's right for patients and caregivers. It will be interesting to see if the SA editors allow this to be published. it's one thing for politicians to have pay to play to hand out money for infrastructure, etc.; it's another thing to use pay to play to force doctors to use a drug on these patients that does not work. That's a totally new rubicon."
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