I don't think he ever was sold on phones but was told many times that is why the shareholders bought in to this company. I think he is trying to put something together so lets keep our fingers crossed. We now know Utopya is here and hopefully they can get their act together. What I liked is the news on the B-shares and finding a partner to buy all of them. Lets hope this will go through because this will help all of us a Hell of a lot.