My point is if Utopya was going big time they would be at the show with a booth to flex their muscle with the big boys. I clearly know The "U" team went to the Las Vegas CES show and MWC in 2018 with passes to mingle among the distributors.
It was not mentioned if Jason or the "U" team went to the CES show this year or plan to mingle at MWC or not. I'm pretty close to the ANDI and Utopya encyclopedia here.