bgill , when George put his knew project in his name exclusively to start MFG . He effectively told every one to ,,,, how does he say it ..... oh yah," Go Piss Off " ... this is the standard , George business model .... Take it to heart... and listen up .! He is an inverter and he holds all of the patents in his own name exclusively ... this division of this co may never make money as a real investments should simply because of R@D , It is a research @ development co ... and they to date haven't developed a MFG base or division there of . IMO.