Ihub seems to be a larger tool of the MM's. I have a feeling that Ihub was made for a reason and it wasn't to discuss stocks. These bashers jump on every hot penny stock they can find and usually when they get there the stock goes down. The bid and ask start doing funny things, things that it was not doing before they got there. Note when the bashers showed up at ANDI. Everything was going great and then for no reason at all here they come saying there was no phones and scam, soon after the price drops and then they really start in on the company, advisers, product, PR's that came out. Then we start seeing the MM's playing games. IMO this seems very odd. Hopefully ANDI can catch them shorting and we finally benefit. Th egood news is that we do have Owen so if it gets real ugly maybe he will step in, I did so someone post a case against Ihub before somewhere so it's not like this is new for them.