Investors Hangout Stock Message Boards Logo
  • Mailbox
  • Favorites
  • Boards
    • The Hangout
    • NASDAQ
    • NYSE
    • OTC Markets
    • All Boards
  • Whats Hot!
    • Recent Activity
    • Most Viewed Boards
    • Most Viewed Posts
    • Most Posted
    • Most Followed
    • Top Boards
    • Newest Boards
    • Newest Members
  • Blog
    • Recent Blog Posts
    • Recently Updated
    • News
    • Stocks
    • Crypto
    • Investing
    • Business
    • Markets
    • Economy
    • Real Estate
    • Personal Finance
  • Market Movers
  • Interactive Charts
  • Login - Join Now FREE!
  1. Home ›
  2. Stock Message Boards ›
  3. User Boards ›
  4. Political Debate Board Message Board

Republicans have no good way to rid themselves of

Message Board Public Reply | Private Reply | Keep | Replies (0)                   Post New Msg
Edit Msg () | Previous | Next


Post# of 65629
(Total Views: 769)
Posted On: 05/21/2017 12:24:41 PM
Posted By: Bhawks
Re: dw #36361
Quote:
Republicans have no good way to rid themselves of Trump

www.businessinsider.com/trump-president-republicans-impeachment-impeached-2017-5

Josh Barro

May 17, 2017, 2:30 PM

In dealing with President Donald Trump, The New York Times' conservative columnist Ross Douthat wants to skip right past impeachment to the 25th Amendment.

That's the constitutional amendment that allows the Cabinet to declare a president incapacitated and suspend him from office — a suspension that, if the president objects, must be sustained by two-thirds majorities in both chambers of Congress.

The amendment authorizes the suspension of a president who is "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office." I always took that to envision, for example, a president who is in a coma. But Ross argues it also applies to a president with an "incapacity to really govern" of the sort demonstrated by Trump.

Ross' idea is bad, though it is at least interestingly bad.

Trump's capacity to govern does not seem materially different from what it appeared it would be when a sufficient number of Americans voted six months ago to make him president.

Correcting voter error is not what the 25th Amendment is for, and his voters would reasonably feel their judgment had been overridden in a way that is inconsistent with American constitutional norms — the ones we hope to retain after Trump's presidency ends.

That's not to say Trump shouldn't be removed from office. The obvious grounds for doing so are not incapacity but bad acts, such as obstructing justice and giving sensitive intelligence to the Russians. The process for removal on those grounds is impeachment.

One gets the sense that many Republicans in Congress would desperately like to trade Trump for Vice President Mike Pence, if only their voter base would allow them to do so. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would like "less drama" from the White House; Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee notes Trump's administration is in a "downward spiral." Rep. Darrell Issa of California is so stressed out that he seems to have flipped a reporter from Politico a middle finger in a Capitol hallway on Tuesday. (Issa denied this.)

If you squint, it's almost possible to imagine a situation in which the roar of Trump's scandals becomes deafening enough, and Trump's numbers with Republican voters become soft enough, that Republicans in Congress decide it is worth ripping off the Band-Aid and getting rid of him.

In making Watergate comparisons, people have overstated the speed and frequency with which Republicans in Congress abandoned President Richard Nixon. Initially, Nixon's support from Republicans remained strong. Only a year and a half into the scandal, when extremely specific charges had emerged and Nixon's numbers had fallen very far, did sufficient Republican support for impeachment emerge that Nixon chose to resign.

We're not there yet, but we could be. Except for one thing: Unlike Nixon, there is no way Trump will go quietly.

Nixon left office with a 24% job-approval rating in the Gallup poll. Twenty-four percent is of course a dismal number, but 24% of the electorate is a lot of people. Imagine if Nixon had spent 1974 running around the country screaming that Republicans had cheated him and that voters should stay home in protest, as Trump would surely do. Imagine if Nixon had kept doing so in 1976 and 1978 and 1980.

Given Trump's vindictiveness and total lack of ideological commitment to the Republican Party, and given the fact that he surely views the office of the presidency as one of the key tools standing in the way of the prosecution of himself and a wide variety of his associates, it is hard for me to imagine a situation in which Republicans in Congress are politically better off crossing him than defending him — no matter how exasperating they may come to find him, and no matter how much he may do to interfere with their legislative and political prerogatives.

You will have the presidency when you pry it from Trump's cold, dead hands. If Republicans in Congress try to take it, they will just end up slap-fighting like two drunk SantaCon Santas until they both slide, grabbing onto one another, into a slush puddle of electoral obliteration.

This is why you don't go to SantaCon. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-real-reaso...ks-2013-12

And it's why you don't become a Republican elected official.











(1)
(0)








Investors Hangout

Home

Mailbox

Message Boards

Favorites

Whats Hot

Blog

Settings

Privacy Policy

Terms and Conditions

Disclaimer

Contact Us

Whats Hot

Recent Activity

Most Viewed Boards

Most Viewed Posts

Most Posted Boards

Most Followed

Top Boards

Newest Boards

Newest Members

Investors Hangout Message Boards

Welcome To Investors Hangout

Stock Message Boards

American Stock Exchange (AMEX)

NASDAQ Stock Exchange (NASDAQ)

New York Stock Exchange (NYSE)

Penny Stocks - (OTC)

User Boards

The Hangout

Private

Global Markets

Australian Securities Exchange (ASX)

Euronext Amsterdam (AMS)

Euronext Brussels (BRU)

Euronext Lisbon (LIS)

Euronext Paris (PAR)

Foreign Exchange (FOREX)

Hong Kong Stock Exchange (HKEX)

London Stock Exchange (LSE)

Milan Stock Exchange (MLSE)

New Zealand Exchange (NZX)

Singapore Stock Exchange (SGX)

Toronto Stock Exchange (TSX)

Contact Investors Hangout

Email Us

Follow Investors Hangout

Twitter

YouTube

Facebook

Market Data powered by QuoteMedia. Copyright © 2025. Data delayed 15 minutes unless otherwise indicated (view delay times for all exchanges).
Analyst Ratings & Earnings by Zacks. RT=Real-Time, EOD=End of Day, PD=Previous Day. Terms of Use.

© 2025 Copyright Investors Hangout, LLC All Rights Reserved.

Privacy Policy |Do Not Sell My Information | Terms & Conditions | Disclaimer | Help | Contact Us