Ok, here's my take on the 25 million shares. The shares that were returned, even if only for 6 months, were common shares, not preferred shares, and therefore cannot be "converted" into any more common shares.
Even if the shares were all sold in the next quarter, it wouldn't have much of an impact unless they "dumped" the shares, meaning they sold all of them at once as sell @ market sales which could cause a temporary dip in the pps. I know those dudes aren't going to do that. They are fully aware of the long term value of those shares, and they only locked them up temporarily to show that they weren't planning on dumping and running on the next couple of big PR's. This is real, and they're in for the long haul.
In six months, the pps will not be parked here. It will have moved up again and drawn more investment interest than at any point in it's history. The guys would be even more crazy to liquidate all of their shares at that point since the future growth of the company will be even more readily apparent.
My point really, however, was that even if they sold their 25 mil shares (again, not), it would only be about 2.5% of the outstanding shares. I repeat, it's highly unlikely that all of them would actually dump those shares at the same time, in their entirety, when in merely six more months from becoming unrestricted again they could easily be worth several times as much and I firmly believe they WILL be. I'm thoroughly convinced that they believe the same thing. Just wouldn't make sense as it's obvious at this point we're not looking at a P & D scam.
Anyone who expresses as much doubt as I see in some posts right now is either working with a hidden agenda (phony, trying to move the pps lower) or just shouldn't be investing in OTC start-up companies. If they can't see the value of the investment for where it's going and not based on overwhelming financials (like you do with big board high priced stocks), then why are they still here?????
Shouldn't they have moved on by now???? Ask yourself that and really think about it. If you really thought so negatively about the outlook as a whole, wouldn't you sell and move on? If you were in the red and desperate to get back in the green, whether or not you intended to get out when you're green again, wouldn't you want to pump the stock instead of speaking negatively about it which is more likely to cause people to sell their shares and drag the pps down????
If the argument is that these things need to be addressed, wouldn't it be smarter to do so in private with direct communications to management/directors as opposed to on a public forum where your greatest possible accomplishment would be to hurt the value of your investment??? These are the questions I ask myself when trying to determine the integrity and/or sensibility in posts. Trends and similarities are easy to spot after awhile.
Some who flip stock on a regular basis are very good at the use of manipulation to impact the price. Even with large companies as the crooked short sales pro Whitney Tilson so slyly demonstrated when he smacked down Lumber Liquidators. When I closely poured over the evidence (not the headlines) in that case, I realized the ONLY thing they were actually guilty of other than sloppy management was their violation of the Lacy Act, by importing a protected hardwood from Russia.
The formaldehyde allegations were as phony as it gets, but LL chose to remain humbly quiet, allowing the courts to put it to rest rather than make a circus of it by feeding the press with the drama they lust for. They were already down, their sales had been sorely impacted, so letting the BS fade away rather than keeping it alive in the press was their smartest move since the courts move slowly and you need irrefutable proof behind you if you want to make it a full on brawl in full view of the public. Especially since most consumers (not so much investors) won't analyze the evidence for themselves much deeper than the headlines which would, again, be laced with bias to "help" the drama along. That's what butters their bread.
Anderson Cooper of CNN played a major part in that BS fiasco, and he's been involved in investigations for phony news reporting more than once in the past. In summary, there are a lot of phony f#*!s out there, big and small.
We have not seen as much as a scrap of evidence to suggest that this company's management/directors have been phony or crooked in any way, ever, with one exception which makes the integrity of the company as a whole obvious: Tom Shuman did some closet moonlighting, and as soon as Jerry became aware of it, Shuman was gone and agreed to give back 30 million shares of stock to the treasury. I think we're in great hands at this point, and we're going to make more money on the investment than many dare to hope if we just ignore the BS and hold on to our shares.
Even if the shares were all sold in the next quarter, it wouldn't have much of an impact unless they "dumped" the shares, meaning they sold all of them at once as sell @ market sales which could cause a temporary dip in the pps. I know those dudes aren't going to do that. They are fully aware of the long term value of those shares, and they only locked them up temporarily to show that they weren't planning on dumping and running on the next couple of big PR's. This is real, and they're in for the long haul.
In six months, the pps will not be parked here. It will have moved up again and drawn more investment interest than at any point in it's history. The guys would be even more crazy to liquidate all of their shares at that point since the future growth of the company will be even more readily apparent.
My point really, however, was that even if they sold their 25 mil shares (again, not), it would only be about 2.5% of the outstanding shares. I repeat, it's highly unlikely that all of them would actually dump those shares at the same time, in their entirety, when in merely six more months from becoming unrestricted again they could easily be worth several times as much and I firmly believe they WILL be. I'm thoroughly convinced that they believe the same thing. Just wouldn't make sense as it's obvious at this point we're not looking at a P & D scam.
Anyone who expresses as much doubt as I see in some posts right now is either working with a hidden agenda (phony, trying to move the pps lower) or just shouldn't be investing in OTC start-up companies. If they can't see the value of the investment for where it's going and not based on overwhelming financials (like you do with big board high priced stocks), then why are they still here?????
Shouldn't they have moved on by now???? Ask yourself that and really think about it. If you really thought so negatively about the outlook as a whole, wouldn't you sell and move on? If you were in the red and desperate to get back in the green, whether or not you intended to get out when you're green again, wouldn't you want to pump the stock instead of speaking negatively about it which is more likely to cause people to sell their shares and drag the pps down????
If the argument is that these things need to be addressed, wouldn't it be smarter to do so in private with direct communications to management/directors as opposed to on a public forum where your greatest possible accomplishment would be to hurt the value of your investment??? These are the questions I ask myself when trying to determine the integrity and/or sensibility in posts. Trends and similarities are easy to spot after awhile.
Some who flip stock on a regular basis are very good at the use of manipulation to impact the price. Even with large companies as the crooked short sales pro Whitney Tilson so slyly demonstrated when he smacked down Lumber Liquidators. When I closely poured over the evidence (not the headlines) in that case, I realized the ONLY thing they were actually guilty of other than sloppy management was their violation of the Lacy Act, by importing a protected hardwood from Russia.
The formaldehyde allegations were as phony as it gets, but LL chose to remain humbly quiet, allowing the courts to put it to rest rather than make a circus of it by feeding the press with the drama they lust for. They were already down, their sales had been sorely impacted, so letting the BS fade away rather than keeping it alive in the press was their smartest move since the courts move slowly and you need irrefutable proof behind you if you want to make it a full on brawl in full view of the public. Especially since most consumers (not so much investors) won't analyze the evidence for themselves much deeper than the headlines which would, again, be laced with bias to "help" the drama along. That's what butters their bread.
Anderson Cooper of CNN played a major part in that BS fiasco, and he's been involved in investigations for phony news reporting more than once in the past. In summary, there are a lot of phony f#*!s out there, big and small.
We have not seen as much as a scrap of evidence to suggest that this company's management/directors have been phony or crooked in any way, ever, with one exception which makes the integrity of the company as a whole obvious: Tom Shuman did some closet moonlighting, and as soon as Jerry became aware of it, Shuman was gone and agreed to give back 30 million shares of stock to the treasury. I think we're in great hands at this point, and we're going to make more money on the investment than many dare to hope if we just ignore the BS and hold on to our shares.
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