Sad part is Joel will reply on the other board but won't make a statement on this board that he started for investors . That alone says a lot IMO. Hard to make a case that this stock wasn't a scam from the start with the way it has gone for the last 2+ years . Only provable thing was the removal of the chill , besides that I could name 100 promises and not one has happened or provable . Just Joel's words saying things are happening , pretty much everything is unbelivable besides there's a SEC investigation .