Unfortunately this was a no bid ,no trade stock well before the SEC investigation was public knowledge . You are correct it's not dead yet , but with everything coming out of the woodwork , lawsuits , SEC , no provable mining except Joel's words that have lost all credibility IMO over the years . Wish I had your optimistic outlook but just being a realist by what I've seen . Like I said hope I'm wrong but just way to much info coming out to keep the faith .