I think the response I received from gitreal on ihub(see below) confirmed what is really behind this attempt to try and connect CDNL to the USAR/Vast Mtn ordeal from 12 years ago. I would not defend any company that was found guilty of a securities fraud scheme to steal money from traders/investors, but I will defend a company who is being unfairly attacked, by trying to link it a fraud scheme that they had no part of. CDNL's CEO was hired to provide a service, which he did, and if in fact those investigators found any wrongdoing in the report KJ provided, they would have filed suit against him also. It is a simple case of trying to institute a smear campaign against any public company who had or has a business relationship with USAR/Vast Mtn., despite not having a shred of proof to show any wrongdoing!
How on earth would Kevin know what USAR/Vast Mtn was up to behind the scenes or how they were going to use his report that he was hired to provide? If in fact we are to believe Kevin had a hand in what USAR/Vast Mtn did 12 years ago that prompted an investigation that led to charges being filed and guilty securities fraud verdict against USAR/Vast Mtn in 3 states, they would have filed charges against him as well. That didn't happen for a very good reason, because the investigators found NOTHING to connect CDNL to this matter! Let me repeat, the security investigators found NOTHING to link CDNL or KJ to the case against USAR/Vast Mtn 12 years ago.
Those are the FACTS that even gitreal can't deny, yet she persist to try and paint a picture of guilt against CDNL and its CEO for providing a service they were hired to do by USAR/Vast Mtn. Another FACT is, that since that incident 12 years ago, nothing more has arisen to file any further charges against USAR/Vast Mtn., or to link CDNL or its CEO to any wrongdoing of any sort! Thus, it does not preclude that CDNL is guilty of anything just for having a business relationship with USAR/Vast Mtn.
It could even be said that it may be a case of discrimination if CDNL refused to provide a service, based purely upon what happened 12 years ago with USAR/Vast Mtn. Sure that is a reach, but much less of a reach than saying he CDNL is guilty due solely on a business relationship. We even heard the word "friends" being thrown out to explain the business relationship KJ has with John Owens from USAR/Vast Mtn. I mean really? Is there any proof of that anywhere? Absolutely NOT!
I am using FACTS to put an end to this story, not false assumptions and accusations. This is where folks need to really examine the facts, which most have, since this has not caused any rush to the exits. Quite to the contrary, folks are actually buying more, telling us that nobody is buying into this unfounded attempt to try and even the score through this war that has been waging for 12 years, when USAR/Vast Mtn used unethical means to fool investors/traders into buying shares in their OTC company.
I do sympathize with those lost everything due to this despicable act, but at the same time I find it deplorable to now employ a strategy to keep their crusade alive by attacking those who have a business relationship with them. I also have to wonder why anyone would waste 12 years on a crusade by risking way too much on that OTC stock. Many of us have lost money on an otc stock and we know it would be fruitless to launch an attack against those who had a business relationship with that otc company. I mean that is just insane! I mean to have a forever bitter feeling against an otc company that screwed you is understandable, but what is happening here is just plain dumb in my book.
One last thing, the fact that USAR/Vast Mtn. list CDNL's CEO, Kevin Jones, as a consultant on their website is not a reason to attack him. As you said, that's just barking up the wrong tree! To use this blackmail strategy to try and force him to sever all business ties with USAR/Vast Mtn. and remove any mention of CDNL or its CEO, is not only ridiculous, but it is also unlawful! I think it is a clear indication of the tight rope act they are playing with, in a useless attempt to inflict revenge for their poor investing skills. This smear campaign attempt against KJ and CDNL, just for doing business with USAR/Vast Mtn, could end in a defamation of character suit being filed against them if they continue to try and link KJ and/or CDNL to that case 12 years ago.
All the FACTS should put this story to rest, once and for all, and any further discussion on the matter should be ignored, since the FACTS don't support any wrongdoing by KJ or the company in any way!
Let's get back to focusing on what really matters here, which is happening right now, that could have a HUGE impact on your CDNL investment! $28.8 Mil Cameroon contract - HSVW (Our New Partner) Manufacturing & next tranche of the $7.5 mil SPA agreement - The many other projects progressing around the globe - the audit & updated financials post audit! Cheers!
Please see me message below gitreal's to see how she responded to my message. She did not deny what I stated, but rather tried to deflect what I stated by saying, whatever floats your boat. She lost over $20 Grand is what heard and she got me limited to 1 post per day on ihub CDNL board and she will continue to get my post deleted regarding this subject about USAR/Vast Mtn. She will never quit, she has a new audience and is loving the attention she is getting over all of this. She has been doing these attacks against USAR/Vast Mtn for over 12 years! She hates it when I point out how stupid she was to invest everything she had into that otc stock. She has a strong alliance with a couple of the big admin mods on ihub and therefore controls what gets deleted and what gets allowed. She has not had a single post of her's ever removed from the ihub CDNL board. It is pure BS and why I posted this here. Maybe someone can post a link to this on the ihub CDNL board. Cheers
How on earth would Kevin know what USAR/Vast Mtn was up to behind the scenes or how they were going to use his report that he was hired to provide? If in fact we are to believe Kevin had a hand in what USAR/Vast Mtn did 12 years ago that prompted an investigation that led to charges being filed and guilty securities fraud verdict against USAR/Vast Mtn in 3 states, they would have filed charges against him as well. That didn't happen for a very good reason, because the investigators found NOTHING to connect CDNL to this matter! Let me repeat, the security investigators found NOTHING to link CDNL or KJ to the case against USAR/Vast Mtn 12 years ago.
Those are the FACTS that even gitreal can't deny, yet she persist to try and paint a picture of guilt against CDNL and its CEO for providing a service they were hired to do by USAR/Vast Mtn. Another FACT is, that since that incident 12 years ago, nothing more has arisen to file any further charges against USAR/Vast Mtn., or to link CDNL or its CEO to any wrongdoing of any sort! Thus, it does not preclude that CDNL is guilty of anything just for having a business relationship with USAR/Vast Mtn.
It could even be said that it may be a case of discrimination if CDNL refused to provide a service, based purely upon what happened 12 years ago with USAR/Vast Mtn. Sure that is a reach, but much less of a reach than saying he CDNL is guilty due solely on a business relationship. We even heard the word "friends" being thrown out to explain the business relationship KJ has with John Owens from USAR/Vast Mtn. I mean really? Is there any proof of that anywhere? Absolutely NOT!
I am using FACTS to put an end to this story, not false assumptions and accusations. This is where folks need to really examine the facts, which most have, since this has not caused any rush to the exits. Quite to the contrary, folks are actually buying more, telling us that nobody is buying into this unfounded attempt to try and even the score through this war that has been waging for 12 years, when USAR/Vast Mtn used unethical means to fool investors/traders into buying shares in their OTC company.
I do sympathize with those lost everything due to this despicable act, but at the same time I find it deplorable to now employ a strategy to keep their crusade alive by attacking those who have a business relationship with them. I also have to wonder why anyone would waste 12 years on a crusade by risking way too much on that OTC stock. Many of us have lost money on an otc stock and we know it would be fruitless to launch an attack against those who had a business relationship with that otc company. I mean that is just insane! I mean to have a forever bitter feeling against an otc company that screwed you is understandable, but what is happening here is just plain dumb in my book.
One last thing, the fact that USAR/Vast Mtn. list CDNL's CEO, Kevin Jones, as a consultant on their website is not a reason to attack him. As you said, that's just barking up the wrong tree! To use this blackmail strategy to try and force him to sever all business ties with USAR/Vast Mtn. and remove any mention of CDNL or its CEO, is not only ridiculous, but it is also unlawful! I think it is a clear indication of the tight rope act they are playing with, in a useless attempt to inflict revenge for their poor investing skills. This smear campaign attempt against KJ and CDNL, just for doing business with USAR/Vast Mtn, could end in a defamation of character suit being filed against them if they continue to try and link KJ and/or CDNL to that case 12 years ago.
All the FACTS should put this story to rest, once and for all, and any further discussion on the matter should be ignored, since the FACTS don't support any wrongdoing by KJ or the company in any way!
Let's get back to focusing on what really matters here, which is happening right now, that could have a HUGE impact on your CDNL investment! $28.8 Mil Cameroon contract - HSVW (Our New Partner) Manufacturing & next tranche of the $7.5 mil SPA agreement - The many other projects progressing around the globe - the audit & updated financials post audit! Cheers!
Please see me message below gitreal's to see how she responded to my message. She did not deny what I stated, but rather tried to deflect what I stated by saying, whatever floats your boat. She lost over $20 Grand is what heard and she got me limited to 1 post per day on ihub CDNL board and she will continue to get my post deleted regarding this subject about USAR/Vast Mtn. She will never quit, she has a new audience and is loving the attention she is getting over all of this. She has been doing these attacks against USAR/Vast Mtn for over 12 years! She hates it when I point out how stupid she was to invest everything she had into that otc stock. She has a strong alliance with a couple of the big admin mods on ihub and therefore controls what gets deleted and what gets allowed. She has not had a single post of her's ever removed from the ihub CDNL board. It is pure BS and why I posted this here. Maybe someone can post a link to this on the ihub CDNL board. Cheers
Quote:gitreal Member Level Thursday, 09/15/16 05:32:12 PM
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"That my dear woman are the TRUE FACTS"
Very funny. First, you try to paint me as a disgruntled investor, screwed over by John Owen. Now, I am a woman? Whatever floats your boat.
And no, it is not the end of the story, as much as some here would like this uncomfortable relationship to go away.
The relationship between KJ/Cardinal and John Owens is current and active. No amount of referring to stuff that happened 12 years ago can make the current relationship go away. It is relevant, and on-topic.
Investors here should demand to know why their CEO willingly allows his company to be named as part of the management team of a desert dirt scam, run by a banned securities fraudster.
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I do believe that statement of yours says it all "So, yes, because I say so"! The problem all along with all these assumptions being made about KJ and the company are pretty much based on because YOU say so!
The fact is, KJ, nor the company, have been implicated in that 12 year old case against USAR/Vast Mtn. For if the SEC felt there was any wrongdoing for providing that report that was requested by USAR/Vast Mtn, they would have surely taken action. Just because YOU say so, doesn't change the FACT that YOU are the one pointing the finger at KJ and CDNL and trying to implicate them by making your own conclusions, conclusions that are much different than each state arrived at after thoroughly investigating the matter.
YOU are trying to associate guilt on KJ's part for providing a service he was hired to do. That's not how the justice system works! There has not been a single thing for over 12 years since this ordeal that connects KJ or CDNL to the securities violations against USAR/Vast Mtn. Only YOU, are trying to implicate KJ and CDNL by assuming guilt through association. Well that's not how things work in the US judicial process. The matter was investigated and the PROOF was against USAR/Vast Mtn, not KJ or CDNL! Those are the TRUE FACTS regarding this matter. It is preposterous to assume guilt just because YOU say so, based upon your unfortunate personal situation of being a victim of USAR/Vast Mtn's securities fraud, that has you trying to point a finger at anyone whom YOU think is also guilty, despite what the investigation proved otherwise! This case was closed 12 years ago and yet this continues all because YOU say so!
It's time to move on or stay focused on the persons actually found to be guilty of this crime and stop trying to include those who were not party of any crime after the investigation concluded. That should be "The END of this Story", once and for all! Cheers!
