Poem, as long as you insist on displaying what an economic

New Post Public Reply Private Reply Replies (1) Message Board
Bhawks
Poem, as long as you insist on displaying what an economic illiterate you are, just like a rightie who believes in fairy dust economics, I'll keep posting this.

You might want to learn what comparing apples to apples means, but I think that's MBA level study for you.

As for the rest of your way too often repeated, insane rant? As you state, it's just 'down the tubes stupid'.

Quote:
This Recovery Really Is Different

The key point here is that credit bubbles are very different from ordinary recession recoveries. Bank crises and the long, slow painful recoveries are simply not comparable to other business cycles.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-...the-others


Aug 3, 2015 9:53 AM EDT


By Barry Ritholtz

Calling this the “worst economic expansion since World War II” is like saying the ebola virus is the worst cold you ever had. At some level you might be technically correct, but you end up communicating confusing, even misleading, information.

This keeps coming up, despite a wealth of evidence that provides more appropriate context about the crash and subsequent recovery. A column in Real Time Economics is typical of the genre:

Since the recession ended in June 2009, the economy has advanced at a 2.2% annual pace through the end of last year. That’s more than a half-percentage point worse than the next-weakest expansion of the past 70 years, the one from 2001 through 2007.

While there have been highs and lows in individual quarters, overall the economy has failed to break out of its roughly 2% pattern for six years.

The key that something is wrong is in the outlier status of the data. “More than a half-percentage point worse than the next-weakest expansion” is an enormous, Bob Beamon-like smashing of the earlier record. To better understand this data requires some context, which today’s column will provide.

First, the specifics: By just about every economic metric, this has been a mediocre, subpar recovery. For the first few years following the end of the recession in June 2009, employment increased slowly. Wages to this day have been little changed.

Retail sales have been inconsistent; housing has seen soft sales numbers, while price increases have been a function of a lack of inventory caused by limited amounts of home equity and immobility as a consumer try to reduce debt. Gross domestic product growth has been weak and lacking in consistency.


The context is simple: When we discuss expansions, we typically are referring to the later half of a typical economic contraction-expansion cycle. That is what is typically referred to as a post-recession recovery.

However, that huge outlier is a clue that we are using the wrong data set. The post-World War II recession recoveries are the wrong frame of reference; the proper one is the much more severe set of credit-crisis collapses and recoveries.

Economists Carmen M. Reinhart and Kenneth S. Rogoff figured this out before the scale of the crisis even was apparent. In January 2008 they published a paper titled "Is the 2007 U.S. Sub-Prime Financial Crisis So Different?

An International Historical Comparison." They warned that the U.S. subprime mortgage issue was turning into a full-blown credit crisis, not just a typical recession. I discussed this extensively in February 2008.

The economic researchers were astute enough to not use other recession-recovery cycles as their comparison when discussing the pace of growth in the U.S. economy after what they said would be a collapse caused by subprime mortgages. Instead, they suggested looking at five previous financial crises -- Japan (1992), Finland (1991), Sweden (1991), Norway (1987) and Spain (1977).

These earlier financial and credit crises had several consistent elements: A prolonged and deep decline in asset prices, including equity (average of 55 percent) and housing prices (average of 35 percent).

They also noted that banking crises are followed by “profound declines in employment.” The average increase in the unemployment rate was seven percentage points during the four years after the collapse.

This is in line with the rise in the U.S. unemployment, rate, which increased from about 4 percent to 10 percent.

Other elements they saw as consistent with credit crises were an explosion of government debt, and costly “ambitious countercyclical fiscal policies aimed at mitigating the downturn.”

Let me remind you that Reinhart and Rogoff published their paper in early 2008 --before Bear Stearns collapsed, and well before Lehman Brothers, American International Group, the banks and government-sponsored entities Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac either failed or needed bailouts.

I give them enormous credit for not only understanding how subprime mortgages were a threat to the economy, but seeing exactly how that threat would manifest itself, and how the subsequent recovery would take form.

The key point here is that credit bubbles are very different from ordinary recession recoveries. Bank crises and the long, slow painful recoveries are simply not comparable to other business cycles.

After the collapse, Reinhart and Rogoff turned their research into a book, “This Time Is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly.” Anyone who wants to understand the present economic cycle should give it a read.

So next time someone says this is the worst recovery since World War II, remind them that the economy is recovering from a full-blown financial crisis -- not just a typical recession.
Scroll down for more posts ▼

Top 10 Most Recent News Articles

Faith and Resilience in China: The Legacy of the Long March

Updated Category News Views 35

History's got chapters that stick with you, and the Long March is one of those stories that shake you to your core. It all started one October evening in 1934, when more than 86,000 soldiers from the Red Army found themselves on the banks of the Yudu River. It was a scene straight out of a novel: 800-odd boats held together with coffin boards and timber beams, all set to...

Continue Reading
AEVEX Faces 48-Hour Deadline for Investor Class Action

Updated Category News Views 24

Clock Ticking on AEVEX Lawsuit Participation Ah, the twists and turns of the stock market! AEVEX Corp. (NYSE: AVEX) finds itself knee-deep in a class action lawsuit, and investors have a mere 48 hours left to make their stand as the lead plaintiff. This legal saga stems from the company's April 2026 IPO and spills into the muddy waters of securities law violations....

Continue Reading
ASTS Faces a Legal Countdown – Investors Take Note

Updated Category News Views 29

AST SpaceMobile's Legal Tangle AST SpaceMobile, Inc. (NASDAQ:ASTS) finds itself neck-deep in legal quagmire, with a class action lawsuit looming large. Investors who snapped up ASTS securities between March 4, 2025, and July 15, 2026, have until November 13, 2026, to reckon their grievances before the courts. This is no joke, folks. If you've lost dough because of shaky...

Continue Reading
Lundbeck's Board Leadership Transitions into New Era

Updated Category News Views 15

A Fresh Chapter for Lundbeck's Board Leadership Lundbeck is sparking some fresh boardroom energy, and it's not just business as usual. Dorothea Wenzel, who's been steering the ship, is stepping down come 2027—AGM in sight. Now, in swings Lars Fruergaard Jørgensen, ready to grab the wheel. Yeah, we've got some seasoned pharma muscles flexing here. The Before and After:...

Continue Reading
Tomorrowland's Shanghai Return: An Electri-Lifesaver

Updated Category News Views 42

You know, every now and then, it's worth stepping out of the stock frenzy and diving into something as electrifying and far from the trading floor as Tomorrowland's latest Shanghai rendezvous. This ain't just any festival; it's the kind of hype that packs a punch—and frankly, it's a wild ride seeing such a spectacle set up shop in China, and sell out to boot. Partnering...

Continue Reading
UEG's New Advisory Board: Elevating Patient Voices

Updated Category News Views 33

Breaking Ground with Patient Representation Today's not-so-sunny forecast from Barcelona wasn't about the weather. United European Gastroenterology (UEG) rolled out its shiny new Patient Representatives Advisory Board (PRAB) during UEG Week 2026. This isn't just another committee on a never-ending list—it's a serious platform aimed at turning patient murmurs into a...

Continue Reading
Antheia Secures $80M for Critical Medicine Onshoring

Updated Category News Views 27

Antheia's Bold Move to Onshore Medicine Production Folks, when it comes to pharmaceuticals, it's about time someone started serious about keeping things closer to home. Antheia just landed a huge $80 million conditional commitment from the U.S. Department of War's Office of Strategic Capital. The fine print? This isn't just about building business—it's a play to secure...

Continue Reading

Top 5 Most Recently Viewed Articles

Gigli's Rise: Transforming THC Beverages into Mainstream Delights

Updated Category News Views 209

Gigli's Journey to Mainstream Success Gigli, an innovative THC beverage brand, is enjoying a significant rise in popularity as it makes its way into mainstream retail. The excitement around Gigli has fueled the sale of over 6 million cans since its introduction, signaling a change in how adults choose to celebrate life’s moments. With its recent placements in select...

Continue Reading
IBM's Q3 Earnings Show Growth Amidst AI Surges and Challenges

Updated Category News Views 195

IBM's Financial Performance in Q3 International Business Machines Corp (NYSE: IBM) recently released its financial results for the third quarter, reflecting a robust performance that highlighted the company’s continued adaptation to market demands. With a revenue of $16.33 billion, IBM surpassed analysts' expectations, indicating a healthy growth trend in its core...

Continue Reading
Explore Unmatched Black Friday Offers on Suunto Gear

Updated Category News Views 156

Experience Suunto's Unforgettable Black Friday Deals As Black Friday approaches, adventure enthusiasts have a golden opportunity to snag incredible deals from Suunto, a frontrunner in sports wearables. The renowned brand is excited to announce a range of exclusive offers that run from Thursday until the end of the sales period. Customers can indulge in savings up to 40%...

Continue Reading
The Promising Future of Feed Additives Market Growth

Updated Category News Views 137

Understanding the Feed Additives Market Growth As the global demand for efficient animal nutrition continues to soar, the Feed Additives market is set for remarkable expansion. Current estimations suggest that the market, valued at approximately USD 42.2 billion, will achieve an impressive growth, reaching USD 70.09 billion by 2032. This significant increase is expected...

Continue Reading
Kevin O'Leary Discusses Presidential Control Over Tariffs

Updated Category News Views 80

Kevin O'Leary Stands Firm on Trade Policy Authority Investor Kevin O'Leary recently expressed his views regarding the potential influence of the Supreme Court on President Trump's authority to set tariffs. He emphasized that retaining this power is essential for the presidency, particularly in navigating the complex landscape of international trade. Senior Executive...

Continue Reading