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Yep, more word salad. Fixate on the word 'socialis

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Posted On: 06/02/2016 7:52:24 PM
Posted By: Bhawks
Re: OMO #10822
Yep, more word salad. Fixate on the word 'socialism' and overlook all words and actions of the Nazis AND neo-Nazis that were/are decidedly NOT socialistic.

Your chart is self-serving bullshit. Only an idiot places theocracy and fascism on the left. Hitler and Mussolini do not belong on the left.

Was the Soup Nazi a 'socialist', or a short tempered authoritarian who earned the Nazi designation?

You do have one point in your favor, Hitler was a vegan. Not generally associated with those on the right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSD0Mjt64LQ

THEY WERE NOT SOCIALISTS!

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Now, what about Hitler's Germany? You certainly did not find state ownership of the forces of production. Those remained in private hands (including foreign corporations like Ford, GM, and IBM).

Far from close identification with the labor movement, you found harsh repression of labor unions. Social welfare provision did not advance markedly beyond that which dated back to Bismarckian Germany.

And while there was state regulation of capitalism, it was the kind of wartime mobilization of capital that is found in all sorts of regimes.

Too, one must remember that the first inmates of the first concentration camp, Dachau, were members of Germany's leading socialist parties, the SPD and the KPD.

In sum, there is no good reason to regard the NSDAP's use of the terms"socialist" or "worker's party", or the anti-capitalist tone of some of the party's pronouncements, as anything other than cynically propagandistic. If it doesn't walk like a duck, quack like a duck, swim like a duck, or fly like a duck, then calling it a duck doesn't make it a duck.

They did call their Ideology “National Socialism”.

Despite that, it had little to do with what is usually understood as “Socialism”, and most Nazis would have strongly objected to being called “Socialists”, like Rosa Luxemburg or Karl Liebknecht (who the Nazis, or close allies of theirs went to the trouble of murdering for being Socialists…).

It’s sort of like the “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea”(aka North Korea) is neither Democratic, nor a Republic by any sane or useful definitions of those words…

Yes--it's in the name. But that doesn't mean they were socialists in any way we'd recognize today (they weren't). The word was used much more broadly, then, and the NAZIs ended up the successors, campaigning on a rejection of German humiliation (and war debts) from the 1919 Treaty of Versailles, and nationalist expansionism. They came to power, votewise, largely by taking the place of the previous major right-wing-authoritarian party, the DNVP (German National People's Party), were explicitly anti-communist and, when in absolute power, used a capitalist economy. And his 25 point NAZI political plan is quite clear in its right-wing ideology.

Today, their ruling philosophy is considered to have been 'corporate fascism'--they liked to deal with big business when in power, and gained political support from them, and Hitler only solidified his hold on power in July of 1934 by eliminating (murdering) the small 'black front' section of his party, the leftwing, but nationalist, 'Black Front'--which finally gained the NAZIs the full support of the military and President von Hindenburg (semi-ceremonial Head of State and center-right war hero).

So why is 'socialist' in the name? Because it was a popular word, then (and more flexible), and thus politically useful--but clearly suggesting major reforms in a troubled Germany.

"We are all Socialists, nowadays." -King Edward VII of England, who today we'd call conservative (small 'c').

With industrialization occuring more and more rapidly, society becoming more complex, with new ideas arising and new potential solutions available, 'socialism' at the time was an ill-defined term. Sometimes it carried the meaning it carries today, more or less, but it also meant any sort of relatively modern reorganization of society.

Like the Italian Fascists (who took power with the backing of Italian conservatives, the rich, right-wing militias, and the king--with the explicit goal of preventing a communist takeover and preserving the social structure of society), the NAZIs, whose 'brownshirt' militias were an homage to Mussolini's 'Blackshirt' militias, took power in Germany mostly on an anti-communist, conservative-authoritarian mandate.



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