copy and pasting the below from $HJOE board on thi
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Posted On: 02/24/2016 10:58:31 AM
copy and pasting the below from $HJOE board on this site. exchange TPAC for HJOE and almost same came be said. best thing to do is quit posting altogether on iLie and any new investor will see nothing but BS and find dialogue elsewhere. further, promote this board actively no SM thru Twitter, FB, etc. use $TPAC to get it noticed on this site and other SM feeds. eventually - new/existing investors will come here for honest discussion.
as far as ILOVEHJOE - time for the affirmation statement. moderators should ask this repeatedly until he answers and if he refuses/dodges - ban him. its that simple. if he is not a basher in sheeps clothing - there should be NO reason NOT to affirm.
are you a current shareholder? if not - have you owned shares previously?
how long have you owned shares?
are you in any way, shape, or manner associated, affiliated, or have done business (past or present) with TPAC as an employee, contractor, lender, or otherwise business connection?
have you been compensated in any way, shape, or manner for your opinions, consulting, business, or otherwise dealings with the company, its contractors, lenders, or any other affiliate connected to the company?
if he refuses to answer or again, dodges, ban him and remove all his posts. these are simple and straightforward questions and anyone having a fair and honest discussion should have no issues answering them. there is nothing confidential about them and does not disclose any personal information, holdings, etc.
I am a current shareholder and have been so since early 2013. to date, i have never sold a share. i have never (knowingly) done any business with any entity related to or having done business with the company in any way shape or form (again - that I am aware of or directly connected to. I deal with a lot of different companies in my line of work).
I have never been compensated in any way, shape or form by the company or any related affiliate for opinions, consulting, or contracting.
I have never personally met anyone directly connected to the company or any of its affiliates (again - knowingly). I have spoke to the founders and key mgmt by phone and contacted them through email on various occasions looking for clarification, offering suggestions on communications/branding, and connecting them to possible distribution partners/dealers, etc.
here is the thing - since this is a public format and public record, if one knowingly lies in such an affirmation and uses that lie to gain - it is fraud and in this case - securities fraud. since these statements can all be traced back to individual IP addresses - they are pretty damning if a case were to be made. everyone of the pros/bashers on these sites absolutely understand that. they know exactly what they can and can not say and how to play around the edges. however, they will NOT answer these direct questions if they are involved because they either need to willfully lie or expose themselves/their bias. i have tried to ask that on iLie and the posts immediately get deleted. on yahoo - they simply go away for awhile and not come back. on here - they do not have that ability which is where the strength of the board shows. further - if all of the "pumpers" provide the same affirmation and ILOVEHJOE or other sheep do not - it speaks for itself.
so - i would encourage the Moderators to address that with ILOVEHJOE or any other poster trying to railroad a topic and distract from the general discussion. do not allow ambiguity or dodging. my replies are pretty specific. obviously anyone could have a chance conversation in passing but if they are directly involved - there is no gray area.
below is excerpt from HJOE board from my comment above:
The people who bash HJOE do not need ammo. They don't need to be spoon fed anything. BC just stated it aptly. They will take anything HJOE says and they will turn it, distort it, change it, water it down and make it irrelevant. The point you are trying to make is moot and no disrespect, but very naive of what these people are all about. You know what they are about. When HJOE speaks. It doesn't matter. If they miss a time line, it's bashed. If it makes a timeline, it's bashed. If they tell the truth, it's a lie. If they delay their response, it's a scam. If they follow-through, they really haven't and if they don't it's simply a share selling scheme. If they file, they really won't, and if they don't it's not because of KBM. If they do, the numbers are fake and if audited the new auditor a crook. They do want to succeed, but they really don't if you're a basher. The pictures aren't real, the videos are concocted, the past guides the present and the future, SM media doesn't really exists, and if the don't tweet, they've gone dark, they don't have dealers, the product is not running, they have no relationships with distributors, Veal is a failure and "worthless," so say the bashers. So said you It doesn't matter what HJOE says, whether they complain, whether they don't. They're handing bashers no loaded guns. Their arsenal was full long before.
as far as ILOVEHJOE - time for the affirmation statement. moderators should ask this repeatedly until he answers and if he refuses/dodges - ban him. its that simple. if he is not a basher in sheeps clothing - there should be NO reason NOT to affirm.
are you a current shareholder? if not - have you owned shares previously?
how long have you owned shares?
are you in any way, shape, or manner associated, affiliated, or have done business (past or present) with TPAC as an employee, contractor, lender, or otherwise business connection?
have you been compensated in any way, shape, or manner for your opinions, consulting, business, or otherwise dealings with the company, its contractors, lenders, or any other affiliate connected to the company?
if he refuses to answer or again, dodges, ban him and remove all his posts. these are simple and straightforward questions and anyone having a fair and honest discussion should have no issues answering them. there is nothing confidential about them and does not disclose any personal information, holdings, etc.
I am a current shareholder and have been so since early 2013. to date, i have never sold a share. i have never (knowingly) done any business with any entity related to or having done business with the company in any way shape or form (again - that I am aware of or directly connected to. I deal with a lot of different companies in my line of work).
I have never been compensated in any way, shape or form by the company or any related affiliate for opinions, consulting, or contracting.
I have never personally met anyone directly connected to the company or any of its affiliates (again - knowingly). I have spoke to the founders and key mgmt by phone and contacted them through email on various occasions looking for clarification, offering suggestions on communications/branding, and connecting them to possible distribution partners/dealers, etc.
here is the thing - since this is a public format and public record, if one knowingly lies in such an affirmation and uses that lie to gain - it is fraud and in this case - securities fraud. since these statements can all be traced back to individual IP addresses - they are pretty damning if a case were to be made. everyone of the pros/bashers on these sites absolutely understand that. they know exactly what they can and can not say and how to play around the edges. however, they will NOT answer these direct questions if they are involved because they either need to willfully lie or expose themselves/their bias. i have tried to ask that on iLie and the posts immediately get deleted. on yahoo - they simply go away for awhile and not come back. on here - they do not have that ability which is where the strength of the board shows. further - if all of the "pumpers" provide the same affirmation and ILOVEHJOE or other sheep do not - it speaks for itself.
so - i would encourage the Moderators to address that with ILOVEHJOE or any other poster trying to railroad a topic and distract from the general discussion. do not allow ambiguity or dodging. my replies are pretty specific. obviously anyone could have a chance conversation in passing but if they are directly involved - there is no gray area.
below is excerpt from HJOE board from my comment above:
The people who bash HJOE do not need ammo. They don't need to be spoon fed anything. BC just stated it aptly. They will take anything HJOE says and they will turn it, distort it, change it, water it down and make it irrelevant. The point you are trying to make is moot and no disrespect, but very naive of what these people are all about. You know what they are about. When HJOE speaks. It doesn't matter. If they miss a time line, it's bashed. If it makes a timeline, it's bashed. If they tell the truth, it's a lie. If they delay their response, it's a scam. If they follow-through, they really haven't and if they don't it's simply a share selling scheme. If they file, they really won't, and if they don't it's not because of KBM. If they do, the numbers are fake and if audited the new auditor a crook. They do want to succeed, but they really don't if you're a basher. The pictures aren't real, the videos are concocted, the past guides the present and the future, SM media doesn't really exists, and if the don't tweet, they've gone dark, they don't have dealers, the product is not running, they have no relationships with distributors, Veal is a failure and "worthless," so say the bashers. So said you It doesn't matter what HJOE says, whether they complain, whether they don't. They're handing bashers no loaded guns. Their arsenal was full long before.
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