Not at all Dischino, I appreciate the feed back and the passion. It was not meant top be a jab at you or speck. Like I said I can count cards like rain man but I don't, not because I can't but because I'm not a cheater. Few people that can do what I can do wouldn't use the power to line their pockets. There is integrity in all aspects of people. I'm not at all offended by your response, its a perspective of a mod with integrity. There are good people in all areas and the ones you mention including yourself may very well be good. But money is involved so you are fooling yourself to say the power the mods have hasn't corrupted some of them to allow subtle manipulation. I got kicked off the hub for reposting the article about the lawsuit against the hub. I argued it is manipulation for anyone on the hub to suppress the open discussion of a public post released by a company on a board dedicated to that company. Does the guy who kicked me have anything to gain?? I don't know but the suppression of public information flattering to the hub or not is manipulation. My point was or is more to explain how its achievable then to assume just because your good that the rest are as well. Its this type of assuming that brought down the housing market and the country. There were many very good honest bankers out there back then too, that just blindly believe there was integrity in the industry. It was a corrupt few that made it happen. You don't need all the dealers in a casino to be corrupt to make yourself a million dollars. All you need is one, a little money and some time. Surely that makes sense?