NT I am not hear to get in a argument with you . I am hear to get answers to my questions .I have been in on the last 3 CCs and been a stock holder since YTRV. All I would like is Some sort of proof of this company ,but for over a year all I have seen is broken promises and being told of another delay .I have been patient IMO .I would have to say by the amount of shares up for sale other investors have lost some faith also .I don't think showing some guys in mining global t-shirts is the proof investors r looking for .There has to be some sort of proof out there that would help the stock . Joel even said he would produce this proof ,I don't care what it is as long as it is undisputable .