i know about these MMs from trading sub penny stocks where alot of these games get played i have also done a good bit of digging on most of the high profile bashers on iturd add that to many conversations with penny traders who have been trading and dealing with this kind of stuff for decades ........ most of the time they used BKMM and PUMA is a known short if you play attention to L2 for hours on end even when it seems nothing is going on you will slowly start to see the hidden picture add in the timing of posts and the amount of bashers you see show up ........... at this point i no longer try to fight it ....... i wont feed into it but i will trade with it if there bringing it down i try to find out to where and trade accordingly
as for the MMs and ihub working to geather its more the fact that they use those MM and the MM itself is only filling the order it receives........... and for ihub not wanting the good guy around think of it like this most plp here got banned down to one post a day so the over all sentiment of the stock seems to change only because most plp cant post when they want to ............ again if you send a few years watching ihub and a few years participating within it then you will notice how these games are played............. all of this is in my opinion of course i have no proof of anything just what i see and what i have seen