Good morning. I never said PTOI would be the co
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Posted On: 10/19/2014 2:19:29 PM
Re: PaperProphet #14954
Good morning.
I thought the implication was quite clear, based on the number of times you referenced PTOI buying scrap plastic in your examples. My bad.
Again, you intentionally miss the point: it doesn't matter what I think - what matters is that there are numerous examples of outfits that sell plastic at well below what you have mistakenly set the average price of waste plastic to be. Suggesting that a buyer of a PTOI processor must be an expert in waste plastic arbitrage is foolish, if the buyer happens to be the waste plastic generator. This is a very easy thing to see.
I only assume that the processor, as advertised, can process it. I make no assumptions of feedrates, throughput, daily output, or plastic quality. Those are all things that would vary widely amongst waste plastic producers. They would make their own assessments based on test runs of their waste plastic through the processor.
I've shown in several examples (and there are surely many others) where there are benefits for companies even if they do sell the output at the spot price of diesel. That you refuse to acknowledge that is not a flaw in my argument.
Look, I don't think there's much left to discuss here - I've shown that there are numerous examples of plastic selling well below your arbitrary "average" price, and I've shown that there are benefits besides selling the output at the spot price of diesel. If you want to start modifying the simple math formula by guessing about labor costs, depreciation, maintenance, and so on, that's perfectly fine - there are plenty of things that I left out in my examples too. But modifying the simple math formula would be an admission that it doesn't really prove what you think it does -
and on that, we would be in agreement.
Have a great (and productive) Sunday.
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I never said PTOI would be the consumer.
I thought the implication was quite clear, based on the number of times you referenced PTOI buying scrap plastic in your examples. My bad.
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I'm just saying that if you think it's easy to get the needed plastics from those ads offering plastic at well below average rates then maybe PTOI (or you) should go into the plastic scrap arbitrage business.
Again, you intentionally miss the point: it doesn't matter what I think - what matters is that there are numerous examples of outfits that sell plastic at well below what you have mistakenly set the average price of waste plastic to be. Suggesting that a buyer of a PTOI processor must be an expert in waste plastic arbitrage is foolish, if the buyer happens to be the waste plastic generator. This is a very easy thing to see.
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Your argument hinges on two things, that the plastic from those ads offering HDPE/LDPE/PP at below average rates is perfectly fine plastic
I only assume that the processor, as advertised, can process it. I make no assumptions of feedrates, throughput, daily output, or plastic quality. Those are all things that would vary widely amongst waste plastic producers. They would make their own assessments based on test runs of their waste plastic through the processor.
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and that there's a benefit over the spot price of diesel if a company buying a PTOI processor can use all the fuel produced.
I've shown in several examples (and there are surely many others) where there are benefits for companies even if they do sell the output at the spot price of diesel. That you refuse to acknowledge that is not a flaw in my argument.
Look, I don't think there's much left to discuss here - I've shown that there are numerous examples of plastic selling well below your arbitrary "average" price, and I've shown that there are benefits besides selling the output at the spot price of diesel. If you want to start modifying the simple math formula by guessing about labor costs, depreciation, maintenance, and so on, that's perfectly fine - there are plenty of things that I left out in my examples too. But modifying the simple math formula would be an admission that it doesn't really prove what you think it does -
and on that, we would be in agreement.
Have a great (and productive) Sunday.
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