Number1: I am not asking anyone to make stuff up so lets get that straight and I'm not accusing anyone of criminal behavior. It's been mentioned on various boards how some have been so influencial in getting our ceo his position I'm sure he would hear them out. I would think with that much influence he or she can directly express the lack of any information being supplied and the effect it is having on all shareholders including pipes. How does one combat the maniplators by keeping shareholders informed. There are many who post hear and other boards who take any contary opinion as a personal attack which usually it is not. I've said this before and I'll say it again many need to quit being so paranoid. I've bought shares at various levels from the forties to nines so yes I'm very concerned about my investment and would be delighted if the company showed any concern for its shareholders. My initial post was/is not written to be contemptuous. Can't help it if you took it that way.