No not at all do I think SKTO is to blame for the bashing and bid whacking. I just remember us talking about Alpine looking for 100 million shares before Q2.  We all know this has to be related.  The bid whackers need ammo to get this down.  So if they got their 100 million+ shares then based on the volume over the last couple of trading days I am thinking they may have plenty more to get this down to the desired .005 level.  Just thinking out loud.  Someone please chime in on this?