Thank you SEEL and others for the knowledgeable and interesting and civil dialogue between each other. I don't know why I don't engage with this board more often as  I ALWAYS learn more when I come here and read posts. Plain and Simple I learn more as a result of definitive questions and definitive answers from posters that have ACTUAL experience and history of clinical trials and NOT just BS to stir up emotions. BTW, I've been guilty of that as well on " dat udder bord" cause there is a bit of evil lurking there, ha-ha. There are of course a handful of very bright and articulate posters there like The Progressive and a few others but to have to weed through the BS is at times frustrating and tireless. Thanks for the insight and civility !  And of course....GO CTIX ! : )