Hi Slicr, I seem to have to log in all the time and cant remember my password, I posted on the óther board. Everything that im reading leads me to belive its everywere but no clear connection to DUTV. Do you think because some arti cals have promise that it could be dutv, some of the dated are 2010,& 11.It cóuld be. Also I found a cómpany using visage addvertizing so. no one would know or máke the connection to dutv they spelled it that way. Probably not, me I would want companies to bragg on my product. If so the foot print is very very big. Ill keep at it if I think. its good will put here always. Face fills better today..