I used to argue over there incessantly like some still do.  While it isn't good to just lie down it isn't good when the whole point of the argument is the argument itself.   This is probably worth being stated as to why most of us do not engage people that simply are here to perpetuate FUD and a circular arguments that have no end or point but to continue into infinity and beyond.  You want a pointless conversation?    Its Stripclubs and IFLUB and that is really throwing stripclubs under the bus