Kgem, I am just thinking that NorthCal is smart enough to know, probabaly now if the truth were told, that HIMR is going to be successful. I would be assured of the concessions and manufacturer, but after that NorthCal knows alot more about the timber business than HIMR and would know early on if this was going to be a successful business or not. Isn't it more fun talking about what a bright future we have instead of fussing about what a scam stock we bought into?