Junebug, some on IFlop are simply skeptical, and that is just fine until solid results are confirmed.  However, others simply post negative one or two liners (and sometimes only one or two words) with nothing to back it up, and these people are not worth arguing with.  Those who post "HIMR has no revenues" are just plains ridiculous.  How many start-ups have revenue?   And, those who claim "HIMR has no money" and equally as ridiculous.  Start-ups, by definition do not have money until they are producing.   The key here is does this company have access to capital?  In my opinion, this is where NorthCal comes in.  A firm order combined with at least one concession is the key, and we are likely to have both right away.