Hawks...you seem to love a good fight to begin with regardless who is right or wrong. Each person here as you are right in their own mind. Why in the world would I say that?

As simply said who is really listing or asking why they believe as such without shouting and name calling. Everyone here has both good and not so good opinions and even though some can come up with facts that make them right 30-99 percent of the time but that 1% can kick some a$$ if only a person would listen and be somewhat open on another persons view in why? Like you said many of us come from way back but sometimes I can be too damn hard for others to have an open conversation on why they feel as such.

You recall the ole saying many many years ago ... once you get past the smell you got it made or was that licked? Sometimes a tad bit of honey sure helps. If you watch everyone sling crap what do we really have. Reindeer knows this first hand and sure each of us have feelings and maybe some of us have forgotten how to take a punch. Yes, you have been punched but some people love the attention as I grew up that way from my many short comings at birth and moving along my journey.

I believe if some would PM as some of us have in the past and start to trust a new frontier will open up in this message thread. Sometime people just won't take that leap to trust another kinda reminds me of the examples we see in many areas. Even in politics you know as myself about many things had these things happen back in the 1950's things would get taken care of in a jiffy.