Lumberg, I felt you said it well and summed it up perfectly; MMTE under William Lieberman is dead and only those in denial do not see it.  The response to your post on IFlub was also very typical.  You should call William and talk to him, because once you do you will feel all better.  I don't know if you intend on calling, and I really don't know why one would, but what could William possibly tell anyone that could or would be believed?  MMTE and William seems to have become a cult now.  We have believers with absolutely nothing, and non-believers with absolutely nothing.  The common denominator; William Lieberman who has given nothing to all.