Could be GM.  This is what I gleaned so far from the podcaste.

They say this was Spread Peace radio's most commented on broadcast; that it generated the most interest from listeners.

Bruce Perlowin talks about North Cal's huge 200 foot long arm that reaches down and recovers submerged timber.

I feel like I am back in the 60's listening to this station --- Bruce Perlowin says he is a child of the 60's. Bruce says he only uses wood from North Cal Wood Products.

Frank Van Vranken President/CEO of North Cal says he operated the first prototype arm and trained people how to use it, however, he did not design or engineer the arm. Frank talks about cutting trees at the bottom of reservoirs (obviously a reference to HIMR).

Frank says he and Bruce are kindred spirits.

I think Junebug's daughter and son-in-law wood love to be involved with Kin Domain.