Whether any of us make any money or not from UNVC, This has reminded me that I got where I am by hard work and never giving up. Though I had money saved to start another business, I spent it on UNVC, foolishly. But, luckily I make good money at my day job and this has pushed me harder and I've, again, saved more than enough to get my next business going, I'm more than capable of success on my own. I don't need this, never really did, but it was worth a shot I suppose. Thanks for the reality check, Doc. I hope everyone that lost money recovers and is able to thrive again.