I'd say there isn't a single person on this board who is defending Joe... Just varying levels of frustration with the fact that he can't/isn't saying anything to the shareholders about what's been going on behind the scenes for the past 7-8 months... I think what most folks are doing is giving him and Generex/NuGenerex the benefit of the doubt that what was shown in the previously published 10Ks is still proceeding and that what he and Todd are saying is true when they've responded to e-mails.