Would love to put either/both on the grill...see who squeals first. ALL of this... of course is disingenuous from the get-go. I believe bringing in SA caught them unaware...mainly because Nader was seen as reluctant to create any waves...but his actions have created a Tsunami and they don't surf that well...I defer to my surf buddy...that rascal Rabbit, I'm sure he's seen sharks in the water...and understands...not all of them have lethal intentions... and are simply couch potatoes.