I'll have to agree with u on that 100% Both are a waste of skin, POS, SOB's whom should not be permitted to post on any board!!! They are only stealing hard earned monies from the nubies/unaware 1'st time investors with their lies and decietfulness. It's a shame , there's not a law preventing their kind from doing what they do and being able to profit from it!!! They should be locked up as any common criminal for life.!! and IPoop should be shut dwn for even allowing individuals like this to enter their forum and knowingly do what they do!!