Thanks smach, that makes sense to me. This post would have gotten deleted on the other site. I still watch that other site and it is getting very ugly over there, almost cult like and I don't believe I will post there again. I admit that I am not a serious believer in UNVC, possibly due to lack of knowledge. I am along for the ride just in case. Just thinking this could quickly go up after sitting flat for 20 years is mind boggling to me. Is a dark company so dark that no one is in the know? Can manipulators be so good to collect shares and not raise the price? I do hope the best for all investors including myself.