Not going to go around and around and around because that is all this and others boards do. First, I hope you and others don't have two cents or more into SFOR if you don't have belief or like SFOR or think their video/chat products won't make money. The past is the past...the products you mentioned stayed on the shelf and hardly sold...everyone knows that. However, most of those products melded into the chat/video products and SFOR didn't have to reinvent the wheel or wait on patents this time. Comes down to finalizing the product, and executing for revenue. Question is...will they do it? Good luck!