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What you say about open/balanced discussions is certainly reasonable and fair and I applaud that!

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I know we've gone over certain subjects ad nauseam, but newer shareholders may not have been exposed to things that might seem like redundant information to the folks who have been involved and following UNVC/Doc for a long time.

Given the tense nature between the other site and the folks here, it's often difficult to know if subjects are being brought to our board in search of real information, or if they are brought here in an effort to chop down the situation and turn things around on the people who have been the most diligent with their DD and speculation. Many seemingly sincere questions have been flipped around and turned into outright bashes, accusations, and finger pointing exercises. Those are the kinds of hostile exchanges we are trying to avoid here.

For those reasons, moderating certain subjects can be tricky. Mods do not want to delete people who are sincere, but the bashers keep trying to get their foot in the door by using different aliases and posting about things that seem benign at first.

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I also believe that going to LieHub....is a huge waste of time and energy, we know the motives behind their statements, -which are lies and deception.

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Absolutely agree. We need to understand that people still read the board there and could easily come away with various twisted ideas in their heads. The folks who are not as involved here and not as privy to the deceptive tactics there might be misled into believing the nonsense. Inevitably, subjects will cross forums.

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Otherwise we just spend a lot of time and energy here refuting their garbage.

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Their site is filled with professional bashers and thread derailers. BUMPERCARS gave a great description of how they operate their site, and why the site even exists:
https://investorshangout.com/post/view?id=5948454

The really frustrating thing there is, all those tactics that the drunks and bums use to derail information and threads....is against their published rules! I have brought voluminous situations to admin with copied and pasted rules that have been violated, but admin either changes the rule on the fly, adds some unpublished parameter to the rule that makes it ok this time, or says the person who is violating the rule has not violated the rule enough times in a certain period of time to take any significant action. That last one is usually when I catch a rogue mod there who repeatedly violates the rules and I try to have him removed from moderating. Admin there always figures out a way to make excuses for why these people are never removed from moderating, despite the fact that they habitually break the same published rule(s) over and over.

Here's an interesting read about one of their founders going to prison for 4 years for stock price manipulation:
https://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=6...d=10517459

Anyone who does visit the other site, remember what riskreward007, BUMPERCARS, I, and many others have said, and understand that the information there is polluted by people working together to either steal your shares or crush companies (regardless if they are legitimate or not), and fool people into believing twisted scenarios and spun out misinformation....with admin's support!