You and growdoe are right about SIGO IHUB that they are always trying to trip us up. Staying away completely is probably the best way to go to avoid all their mostly misinformation. For those us who have been here since the end of 2017 Investors Hangout was not well known as now and IHUB was our go to then and makes it more difficult to stay away completely but I am getting there. There is hardly anyone left there who are not bashers at this point anyway so why bother.