Thanks dirtfiker. That pretty much sums up Kma and many others anymore. Pretty blatant manipulation going on. I would assume that as this looks more and more prevalent, whoever is behind this is not worried about being convicted. And I would assume they would, in most cases always have more funds to fight the case. What a position to be in. They can simply monitor their own website for movement on these pink stocks, buy and sell as needed to make their profits. And then come in and bash and tell people how stupid they are for buying a stock that they have shorted. Pretty much a win win for them at the moment until someone, if possible, is able to stop this cycle.