LVgliders, I hear you, but there is no reason why this can't become the number one site. No one can deny the manipulation that takes place on that forum --- unless someone just doesn't want to admit it because they are personally involved. I have always felt that investors should frequent sites that produce the most benefit for them. Extra eyes on a stock can be a good thing, but often it brings the wrong type of crowd. In the end, a stock and company will sink or swim on its own. Short spurts up or down destroy what little faith is left in the OTC market. However, the manipulators thrive in a volitiale market.